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Old 06-09-2015, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bounty Man
The top 10 analyst in the US with decades of credibility are all saying the economic crash will occur between Oct 2015 and Jul 2016. To include a currency reset.
Don't you all get it, the profit sharing is toast. There won't be any profit sharing for years.
You need to send this back and negotiate hard dollars.
12-10-6-6 at minimum.
Read my lips....there will be NO profit sharing.
Analysts today and yesterday started down grading the airlines.
Can anybody understand we haven't even got to 2004 contract.
VOTE NO
Don't let the 60% weenies get this TA by.
The dalpa are robots. They will start their games by calling everyone within minutes of a post to sell youth BS just like they did last contract.
I was called twice within minutes of 2 post.
Don't fall for this BS.
VOTE NO
Tell your rep they will be recalled if they vote for this crap.
So naturally despite all the complaints on this forum, you want PS to go to zero?....and want us to vote NO because PS does not go to zero? Do I understand correctly?

(BTW unless there is something great lurking that we all are unaware of, I'll be a no voter)
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:48 PM
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Do you have any clue as to the outcry if the NC came back with zero profit sharing?

Oh. Boy.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:49 PM
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Actually upon further reading I am convinced that Bounty Man is not a pilot, and is probably a pilot's teenager at his dad's computer. No pilot would post with that level of grammatical sloppiness.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:51 PM
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There won't be any PS. Stop trying to color it. It's done as of Feb 2016. People need to get up to speed. Take the percentage and improve these givebacks.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:52 PM
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I never made money with grammar. Get over it. I'm a 35 year pilot and this TA is BS.
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I was told the same thing by several reps. The new agreement preserves what we have and could end up better as we up guage the Atlantic flying and AF/KLM down guage as per their current fleet plans. I want to see the numbers to verify it but the reps seem to have no issue with this. They have issues in other areas but not this one.
Of course you can find several reps to confirm this. They're probably the ones supporting this contentious section. The co. has been non compliant for years and we make it better for them? In this environment?
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Old 06-09-2015, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bounty Man
The top 10 analyst in the US with decades of credibility are all saying the economic crash will occur between Oct 2015 and Jul 2016. To include a currency reset.
Don't you all get it, the profit sharing is toast. There won't be any profit sharing for years.
You need to send this back and negotiate hard dollars.
12-10-6-6 at minimum.
Read my lips....there will be NO profit sharing.
Analysts today and yesterday started down grading the airlines.
Can anybody understand we haven't even got to 2004 contract.
VOTE NO
Don't let the 60% weenies get this TA by.
The dalpa are robots. They will start their games by calling everyone within minutes of a post to sell youth BS just like they did last contract.
I was called twice within minutes of 2 post.
Don't fall for this BS.
VOTE NO
Tell your rep they will be recalled if they vote for this crap.


Well then, I guess you will just short airline stocks and be a billionaire in two years.

Good grief.

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Old 06-09-2015, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They use a highly respected third party to count and tabulate the votes. How exactly could they manipulate the vote? Even if in some fantasy world you could get that company (ballpoint) to cheat on the results do you really think our reps are so intent on lowering their own pay that they would commit a felony that at a minimum will cost them their jobs and probably lead to jail time to get the TA passed?
Let's come into reality here!
It's easier than you think. At my previous carrier it happened, hence my concern. Would guys who think they know better than we do "what's good for us" pull something like this? Absolutely. ALPA's actions betray the front they put on. They've proven they cannot be trusted.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by EdGrimley
It's easier than you think. At my previous carrier it happened, hence my concern. Would guys who think they know better than we do "what's good for us" pull something like this? Absolutely. ALPA's actions betray the front they put on. They've proven they cannot be trusted.
So your previous carrier had a voter fraud committed by the MEC while using ballpoint? What carrier and when?
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I was told the same thing by several reps. The new agreement preserves what we have and could end up better as we up guage the Atlantic flying and AF/KLM down guage as per their current fleet plans. I want to see the numbers to verify it but the reps seem to have no issue with this. They have issues in other areas but not this one.
If you haven't noticed, our union does not have a good track record of late regarding scope and scope enforcement. We are told "such and such gives us more ironclad scope language and the opportunity to grow our widebody flying in _____ theater". The results speak for themselves. The question is, how many times can you sell the same guy swamp land as the foundation for his new house?
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