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06-09-2015, 01:02 PM
#6762
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
This guy has admitted he's not a Delta pilot.
06-09-2015, 01:03 PM
#6763
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
Guys, Sharptool is just trolling. He is not a pilot. He is living off you responding to his posts. There isn't a pro TA 2015 pilot that would post like him.
Put him on your ignore list by doing the following.
Click on his name -> view public profile -> right under his name on the top left and gets weekends off you'll see Send Message and User Lists on the blue ribbon. Click User Lists -> and add to ignore list.
Put him on your ignore list by doing the following.
Click on his name -> view public profile -> right under his name on the top left and gets weekends off you'll see Send Message and User Lists on the blue ribbon. Click User Lists -> and add to ignore list.
06-09-2015, 01:05 PM
#6764
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
Posts: 1,724
There is no "win" in that one vs what we have, nothing at all.
But it get's the company off the hook for next year's cure period grievance.
Cheers
George
06-09-2015, 01:14 PM
#6766
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 429
Ya know. This may sound like a personal issue as a 764 person, but pay banding or not.. The current jets + orders for 764 + 330 constitute 88 aircraft. As I see it that is the bulk of our international widebody fleet for a long time. As of Date of Signing on those jets we are agreeing to $8 and hour less and 1% DC less than AMR. We may need to negotiate a higher 747/777 rate: SO BE IT. BUT, It doesn't seem right to me that ANY Delta pilot in ANY seat be paid a penny less than anyone else at this moment. Profit Sharing: we earned it. If DAL can throw billions down a stock repurchase rat hole they can pay me. That is what we have earned for B-scale, LOA 46, 51.., pension termination. NO ONE at DAL has a J-O-B without the pilots being gutted. I SHARE WITH THE SHAREHOLDERS: buybacks and dividends for you Pro Share for me. No Problem. But while I'm one who could agree to monetizing some PS: this exchange seems a very poor trade. Big question: did DAL hedge when fuel cratered? our upside could be huge. And while I can potentially see the EASK change as ehhh, OK; IT's probably a massive scope cave on our large Intl jets. Our partners fly A380, 777-300 and we fly... 76-300s? Same block hours=what could go wrong!? This agreement vs what? more EM195? Who cares about 100 seaters? We are hiring like crazy and the company will buy 100 seaters if they want them. AND why should we give more 76 seaters for any reason without a penalty? Where is the penalty? Is any new hire starting here to retire as an Embraer Captain?? Apparently DAL needs tons of A380 and 777-300s, but only if they are flown by somebody else. Everyone who DAL goes into business with needs a huge fleet of big jets to fly OUR FEED. We are a behemoth. Guess what: that feed SHOULD work both ways. Apparently DAL can't figure out where to fly a 777 much less a 747, but every one of our partners can fill 'em up. Hmm. While the block hour thing has worked sorta in our favor so far this agreement could end that. AND, Who cares about minutia like training pay? Increase of 15 min/day for recurrent every 9 mos. Are you kidding me? These items.. a few minutes of vacation or training are non events. I have been a strong ALPA supporter and have defended them against arguments from their "detractors" for a long time. I've tried to keep it real on this Forum, but it is time to "Dance with the ones who brought you" and I am not seeing that. I want to leave this company better for the new guys. I don't see that in this deal. I'm an OFG and my career is made. I am flat out offended by this POS. Respectfully, OFG
06-09-2015, 01:14 PM
#6767
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
Posts: 2,169
One of the bullet points today at the meeting was "Company commits to the following: Pay for New Hire Hotels by 1/1/16"
06-09-2015, 01:14 PM
#6768
Moderator
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,991
It can be even worse than many think. Those numbers are based on what we have been flying.
Management is always 2-3 steps ahead of us. We start flying the 737 to Hawaii next year. We can easily put 737s on a lot of the shorter Atlantic routes.
How do you think we would stack up with passenger counts after we add 737s to the mix measured in block hours?
For the guys that don't believe this, we already have received bulletins on APU cold starts to start the 737 ETOPS certification process.
Not saying it will happen - but if the JV language allows it then it is always a possibility.
Scoop
Last edited by Scoop; 06-09-2015 at 01:28 PM.
06-09-2015, 01:16 PM
#6770
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Anyway, I haven't gone back any posts to see what was said. However, I will say that based on the JV changes in this TA, the negotiating committee should not only be fired from the negotiating committee, but disallowed from doing any union work in the future.
Anyone who thinks this TA is any good at all needs to quit taking stupid pills. The JV change from EASKs to block hours alone is a reason to slit wrists. Why don't we just give up now and say Alpa has no business doing the pilots business.
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