Details on Delta TA
06-09-2015, 11:56 AM
#6721
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Not to mention the ability to further gut EASK's by allowing every block hour on AF/KLM to be done on 777/340/380 while ours could be all 767, 757 or even smaller if they wanted?
If true, this has to be the dumbest and most severe concession ever agreed to outside of BK. They couldn't get this in 1113 and we give it up forever in a TA?
06-09-2015, 11:57 AM
#6722
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Alright it is 51.5% Block hours.
So the new language is 50%+/-1% block hours.
That is the translant JV and excludes Virgin Atlantic.
Currently Alitalia is included in this calculation, inclusive to the TA. They have declared they are leaving in 2017. Alitalia leaves Air France-KLM
And that flying would have to flow back to us.
Something to keep in mind.
At first look I thought that this JV language was a problem, but it really isn't. And if we throw Alitalia in, I think it could end up being a really good deal.
But good/bad is really up to you to decide. But that is what I think.
So the new language is 50%+/-1% block hours.
That is the translant JV and excludes Virgin Atlantic.
Currently Alitalia is included in this calculation, inclusive to the TA. They have declared they are leaving in 2017. Alitalia leaves Air France-KLM
And that flying would have to flow back to us.
Something to keep in mind.
At first look I thought that this JV language was a problem, but it really isn't. And if we throw Alitalia in, I think it could end up being a really good deal.
But good/bad is really up to you to decide. But that is what I think.
06-09-2015, 11:59 AM
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Let's say you're right. Now go back and read how many guys are already voting no because of something other than the pay rate. The NC would have to ignore the entire survey in lieu of pay rates. Fact is, everyone has their favorite slice of the pie and will be put out if they don't get it.
I bet not one person put that in their survey. Not one. Not even you.
06-09-2015, 12:01 PM
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So the survey directed us to pursue numerous layered deep and severe concessions like this? What needs of who exactly are served by gutting the JV language to allow for 50/50 block hours instead of EASK's which significantly favor DL pilot jobs?
I bet not one person put that in their survey. Not one. Not even you.
I bet not one person put that in their survey. Not one. Not even you.
06-09-2015, 12:03 PM
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Alright it is 51.5% Block hours.
So the new language is 50%+/-1% block hours.
That is the translant JV and excludes Virgin Atlantic.
Currently Alitalia is included in this calculation, inclusive to the TA. They have declared they are leaving in 2017. Alitalia leaves Air France-KLM
And that flying would have to flow back to us.
Something to keep in mind.
At first look I thought that this JV language was a problem, but it really isn't. And if we throw Alitalia in, I think it could end up being a really good deal.
But good/bad is really up to you to decide. But that is what I think.
So the new language is 50%+/-1% block hours.
That is the translant JV and excludes Virgin Atlantic.
Currently Alitalia is included in this calculation, inclusive to the TA. They have declared they are leaving in 2017. Alitalia leaves Air France-KLM
And that flying would have to flow back to us.
Something to keep in mind.
At first look I thought that this JV language was a problem, but it really isn't. And if we throw Alitalia in, I think it could end up being a really good deal.
But good/bad is really up to you to decide. But that is what I think.
50/50 block hours when we're currently doing 67/33 is a huge loss regardless of what happens to AZ.
06-09-2015, 12:05 PM
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You know upon rereading I should probably apologize and retract my initial post. I didn't mean to cast senior captains in such a harsh manner, as if they didn't care.
I truly did not mean that (but I was posting on my phone and kept it brief). What I should have said was that senior capts care far more about pay rates and DC contributions than perhaps narrowbody and RJ issues--and that is understandable, and also explains that it is very difficult for the negotiators to please all the pilots all the time.
What I did not mean was that I thought they were all "got mine, so up yours" in approach--they are not!
I truly did not mean that (but I was posting on my phone and kept it brief). What I should have said was that senior capts care far more about pay rates and DC contributions than perhaps narrowbody and RJ issues--and that is understandable, and also explains that it is very difficult for the negotiators to please all the pilots all the time.
What I did not mean was that I thought they were all "got mine, so up yours" in approach--they are not!
No harm, no foul.
We agree this TA is a turd in a punch bowl... however I will reserve my final thoughts after I hear and read the details.
Wish us all well!!
Fly safe,
OC
06-09-2015, 12:05 PM
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Thanks for the info.
1.1 Billion over the life of the contract for us (from your chart), versus 5 BILLION in the stock buyback.
1/5 th. the amount........
I'm curious how dalpa justifies 1.1 billion over the course of the entire contract in light of a $5 Billion buyback.
Unbelievable.
1.1 Billion over the life of the contract for us (from your chart), versus 5 BILLION in the stock buyback.
1/5 th. the amount........
I'm curious how dalpa justifies 1.1 billion over the course of the entire contract in light of a $5 Billion buyback.
Unbelievable.
06-09-2015, 12:06 PM
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06-09-2015, 12:07 PM
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AZ was only ever I think around 2% of the JV. In any case, that was EASKs. We gave up the astonishingly bad deal of a 3 year bottomless pit agreement with a 1 year cure period and they still couldn't even honor that deal. But now we will let them fly any plane against any plane and call it even, and we fly on average smaller planes that they do.
50/50 block hours when we're currently doing 67/33 is a huge loss regardless of what happens to AZ.
50/50 block hours when we're currently doing 67/33 is a huge loss regardless of what happens to AZ.
anyway, ask the reps. i think its a good question to ask more about.
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