Details on Delta TA
06-07-2015, 06:25 PM
#6081
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Maybe. If so, why weren't they listening in the first place? How will the company view the MEC now? Credible? How could they believe that when the MEC pulls a bait and switch? Will they reward us for electing a MEC that can't be relied upon to actually be the voice of the pilot group? Whose in charge here?
06-07-2015, 06:25 PM
#6082
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Many on this board have set themselves up by having ridiculous and unrealistic expectations. Even if it is a good TA, it couldn't possibly be enough to satisfy many here. For example, someone just floated the rumor of pay raises that amounts to AMR + 2%, and we retain most of the PS. While one can debate the merit of that and the rest, it amounts to 21.5% compounded over 3 years. Know anyone in your neighborhood getting that deal? I certainly wouldn't be crying about it too loud.
That also would represent the top contract in the industry. Not good enough though. Really, nothing rational will meet the APC standard.
That also would represent the top contract in the industry. Not good enough though. Really, nothing rational will meet the APC standard.
06-07-2015, 06:29 PM
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06-07-2015, 06:33 PM
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Maybe. If so, why weren't they listening in the first place? How will the company view the MEC now? Credible? How could they believe that when the MEC pulls a bait and switch? Will they reward us for electing a MEC that can't be relied upon to actually be the voice of the pilot group? Whose in charge here?
06-07-2015, 06:33 PM
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Maybe. If so, why weren't they listening in the first place? How will the company view the MEC now? Credible? How could they believe that when the MEC pulls a bait and switch? Will they reward us for electing a MEC that can't be relied upon to actually be the voice of the pilot group? Whose in charge here?
I don't care how the company views the MEC because I'm not sure it's relevant. The company doesn't reward anything...it tries to maximize profits and stock price (as every shareholder, including me, would expect). If the MEC is telling them they don't think the TA will pass, then the ball is back to the company.
I don't believe this offer is the last-best. I think it's the first-worst. And there's plenty of time to bring up the bar as the PS formula we're almost all happy with remains in place.
06-07-2015, 06:34 PM
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Many on this board have set themselves up by having ridiculous and unrealistic expectations. Even if it is a good TA, it couldn't possibly be enough to satisfy many here. For example, someone just floated the rumor of pay raises that amounts to AMR + 2%, and we retain most of the PS. While one can debate the merit of that and the rest, it amounts to 21.5% compounded over 3 years. Know anyone in your neighborhood getting that deal? I certainly wouldn't be crying about it too loud.
That also would represent the top contract in the industry. Not good enough though. Really, nothing rational will meet the APC standard.
That also would represent the top contract in the industry. Not good enough though. Really, nothing rational will meet the APC standard.
FIVE BILLION.
06-07-2015, 06:38 PM
#6087
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I don't know why they weren't listening bit hopefully they are now. And perhaps they were listening all along, but the pilots didn't start communicating until late in the game.
I don't care how the company views the MEC because I'm not sure it's relevant. The company doesn't reward anything...it tries to maximize profits and stock price (as every shareholder, including me, would expect). If the MEC is telling them they don't think the TA will pass, then the ball is back to the company.
I don't believe this offer is the last-best. I think it's the first-worst. And there's plenty of time to bring up the bar as the PS formula we're almost all happy with remains in place.
I don't care how the company views the MEC because I'm not sure it's relevant. The company doesn't reward anything...it tries to maximize profits and stock price (as every shareholder, including me, would expect). If the MEC is telling them they don't think the TA will pass, then the ball is back to the company.
I don't believe this offer is the last-best. I think it's the first-worst. And there's plenty of time to bring up the bar as the PS formula we're almost all happy with remains in place.
06-07-2015, 06:38 PM
#6088
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Nothing is guaranteed. I can live with variable compensation. What bothers me is taking money out of one pocket and putting it in the other and calling it a raise. I question the motives of anyone that tries to sell that kind of logic.
06-07-2015, 06:38 PM
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FIVE BILLION.
06-07-2015, 06:38 PM
#6090
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But your pay rates didn't yield during bankruptcy, right? If we transfer PS into pay, it can never be taken away...amirightoramiright?
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