Details on Delta TA
06-06-2015, 03:29 PM
#5881
The Brown Dot +1
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Well here is one thing that could be a game changer. If they pay banded aircraft and most will be brought up to the highest pay level. Like 330 and 767-400 to th 747and 777 or 320 737 to er pay, plus a 9/6/3/3 raise for the highest banded level, that could be huge! Just dreaming..
06-06-2015, 03:30 PM
#5882
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
The 18 month window is protection for us in this situation. It keeps management from giving, say, 29% of the employees raises every six months to circumvent a review for us.
If more than 30% of the other employees get raises next year, it will trigger a review for us.
Between that and the profit sharing, I don't understand why we'd rush into something right now. The PS completely neuters any "Time Value of Money" argument.
06-06-2015, 03:41 PM
#5883
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
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The average pay was 180k in 2013. When the 2014,numbers are posted with the raise and increase in PS it will be near or over 200k. The reduction in profit sharing was about 1.9%. I don't know where you got your numbers. The math has been posted many times. A simple recap is the profit sharing amount was reduced 125 million dollars. The reduction was a fixed amount. The pilot share of that is about 34 to 35% or just under 44 million. 1% in pay equals just under 23 million dollars.
The average Delta pilot credits about 87 hours per month. Some more and some less.
Keep in mind that pay and w2 are not the same. You need to view your 31 DEC pay check and view the gross for the year to get a accurate amount.
Are you talking about captains only?
And are you factoring in the 3-5% reduction in profit sharing over the past 3 years? (Also on the low side)
Unless pilots are flying 80 plus hours every month, and run to the phone for a green slip, $200/ year certainly doesn't seem average.
Well, for first officers at least.
And are you factoring in the 3-5% reduction in profit sharing over the past 3 years? (Also on the low side)
Unless pilots are flying 80 plus hours every month, and run to the phone for a green slip, $200/ year certainly doesn't seem average.
Well, for first officers at least.
The average Delta pilot credits about 87 hours per month. Some more and some less.
Keep in mind that pay and w2 are not the same. You need to view your 31 DEC pay check and view the gross for the year to get a accurate amount.
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06-06-2015, 03:49 PM
#5884
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
Incorrect.
The 18 month window is protection for us in this situation. It keeps management from giving, say, 29% of the employees raises every six months to circumvent a review for us.
If more than 30% of the other employees get raises next year, it will trigger a review for us.
Between that and the profit sharing, I don't understand why we'd rush into something right now. The PS completely neuters any "Time Value of Money" argument.
The 18 month window is protection for us in this situation. It keeps management from giving, say, 29% of the employees raises every six months to circumvent a review for us.
If more than 30% of the other employees get raises next year, it will trigger a review for us.
Between that and the profit sharing, I don't understand why we'd rush into something right now. The PS completely neuters any "Time Value of Money" argument.
If, during any consecutive rolling 18-month period, the Company grants an across-the-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more of its non-pilot U.S.-based
06-06-2015, 04:12 PM
#5885
Looking for a laugh
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,099
Take a look at the geography on the Arabian peninsula and where the Gulf states and their mega hubs are located. Then take a look at what is going on in Yemen and what has now started in Saudi Arabia.
In addition half the population of the Arabian peninsula is under age 25. Not sure how long they can keep the masses happy. Time will tell.
In addition half the population of the Arabian peninsula is under age 25. Not sure how long they can keep the masses happy. Time will tell.
06-06-2015, 04:18 PM
#5886
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
But even if I was paid equal to 320 pay as a 717 FO, it doesn't mean I won't jump ship just because there is no pay difference. Sometimes I just want a change of scenery. And maybe, no yoke. Sick of yokes.
06-06-2015, 04:18 PM
#5887
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
I hope your statement is correct however I was told that a review can be triggered only every 18 months. Reading that section seems to confirm that.
If, during any consecutive rolling 18-month period, the Company grants an across-the-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more of its non-pilot U.S.-based
If, during any consecutive rolling 18-month period, the Company grants an across-the-board increase in base pay rates to non-pilot U.S.-based workgroups covering 30% or more of its non-pilot U.S.-based
Congrats Ferd!
Denny
06-06-2015, 04:26 PM
#5888
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This is a done deal but I'm really curious to see it and hopeful it's good.
I had a conversation with a Captain who was outraged about the idea of them going back to the old LCA OE system where the FO was put back as #1 on reserve. He'd vote no and tell everyone and their moms to vote no.
But when he found out that they would just take the ability to bid the LCA trips away, he was fine with it. I think that will be the general sentiment about the LCA OE thing and thus it will pass.
What I am interested to know is what ability does the LCA have for swapping said trips? Because there will understandably be some not so happy LCA if they can't improve their lines and what does that mean for retaining good LCA.
06-06-2015, 04:57 PM
#5889
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
This is one of the silliest comments ever. Southwest last had a raise in 2011. Their contract was amendable right around the time ALPA negotiated the Delta contract in 2012. They could have gotten our 20% raise and now be negotiating again. They got 0% and are still negotiating. And you think that's better? 0 is better than 20? In what universe do you live.
If you two and your ilk are going to be screaming time value of money as the reason you have to take the deal as long as it's quick, make sure you calculate the time value of NOT taking concessions.
Carl
06-06-2015, 05:03 PM
#5890
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Position: 747-400 Captain
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Sharpest, you must have been the guy in the smoky boardroom who came up with the "time value of money" catch phrase. You are riding it to the end. What's the time value of respect and dignity. I have to hear those words from RA's mouth every time I fly in the back. Why don't we respect and dignify ourselves?
Our problem is that our union is not panicked to grab this deal quickly because they want to lock in our gains, they're panicked at the thought of not locking in management's requested concessions. That's our reality.
Carl
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