Details on Delta TA
06-06-2015, 02:12 PM
#5861
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I'm sensing lunacy from you. I've added more than 100,000 bucks to my pay in the last three years. If I chose to wait, how do I get my 100,000 back?
06-06-2015, 02:31 PM
#5863
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06-06-2015, 02:32 PM
#5864
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Yep they're waiting to piggyback on our deal. Leading the way would have been nice considering they had a 3 year head start. I wouldn't hold them up as a shining example of union hood. There's been no one for us to pattern off for the last decade plus. American's deal is really no help with their largely intact retirements no profit sharing and the crappy work rules they have. I expect a lot from this deal and will be happy to wait like you if it's not enough. We'll find out if our guys panicked next week and vote accordingly.
06-06-2015, 02:35 PM
#5865
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While there certainly were gains in C2012, an extra $30,000-$35,000 seems kind of high. How did you get that $100,000 figure, and does that factor in the PS reduction of 5% on $2.5 billion?
06-06-2015, 02:35 PM
#5866
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A huge portion of this airline retires in the next 5 yrs. for most of them their last contract. They don't want to wait for a few more percentage points. If this TA passes the MEC. Then behind closed doors most or all in this group will vote yes.
06-06-2015, 02:35 PM
#5867
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Yes, I will wait years. I will keep my profit sharing untouched. If rumors are correct, that will be 5.75%, I will loose on this early deal. I will also receive approximately 3 % from the match of American and United rates (if you think management isn't giving raises next year to the rest of the employees your crazy). So the worst thing that I see, is I would loose 8% for the remainder of this year. I also keep my dignity and for once in my life tell management that I am better than their cheap bribes! Chin HI, I will still see raises without a deal.
06-06-2015, 02:36 PM
#5868
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It would be silly not to factor the +'s and -'s in such a hypothetical. I sure hope everyone can do the math objectively. Of course, that implies more than just payrates and PS, for everyone to arrive at their own conclusion.
06-06-2015, 02:36 PM
#5869
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Sadly, you are probably right.
06-06-2015, 02:37 PM
#5870
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Unfortunately, everyone is hyper focused on pay rates. I understand that, but there is so much more.
Every FO should be up in arms about LCA trips removed from their bidding options as an example. And frankly, I cannot imagine the union would even consider it. However, it's as strong a rumor as pay rates. Disclaimer, I don't work that angle, but get better trips because more senior guys do work that angle.
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