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06-04-2015, 06:58 PM
#5591
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
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Here's a random thought:
The MEC is obviously divided on the merits of this agreement.
I hate to see our union go through this divisive exercise. We need unity.
There might be a way to get a 19-0 vote.
ALPA is always accused of mounting a "sales job".
Whether you agree or not, a lot of pilots perceive that as somehow unfair.
That sales ritual is the source of nearly all the acrimony and divisiveness.
One option would be to simply empower the rank and file:
Send it out without the MEC formally recommending a yes or no vote.
Let the line pilots read it and decide for themselves.
Individual ALPA officials can opine to their hearts content.
Just refrain from activating the "machine" this time.
Small "d" democracy. Writ large.
The MEC is obviously divided on the merits of this agreement.
I hate to see our union go through this divisive exercise. We need unity.
There might be a way to get a 19-0 vote.
ALPA is always accused of mounting a "sales job".
Whether you agree or not, a lot of pilots perceive that as somehow unfair.
That sales ritual is the source of nearly all the acrimony and divisiveness.
One option would be to simply empower the rank and file:
Send it out without the MEC formally recommending a yes or no vote.
Let the line pilots read it and decide for themselves.
Individual ALPA officials can opine to their hearts content.
Just refrain from activating the "machine" this time.
Small "d" democracy. Writ large.
Carl
06-04-2015, 06:59 PM
#5592
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Disagree completely. Our problems as a union stem from two things ALPA national and agency shop. "That idiot" is immaterial.
06-04-2015, 06:59 PM
#5593
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 618
06-04-2015, 07:01 PM
#5594
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 618
Delta C2015
Our last contract wasn't that great. And agreed. If we got 14% on 01/16 we would be at AA rates. Plus theirs since no profit sharing at AMR.
How ya think THAT SLI is rolling?
Can't wait for the TA. This is exciting.
06-04-2015, 07:03 PM
#5595
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 767-400
Posts: 797
what i heard while checking in this afternoon
7/3/3/3
2 more dc but taken from profit sharing
loss of 40 hours of sick
verification at 80 per year
no more oe bumps
no change to vacation or cq pay
no per diem increase
aint no way this piece of crap can possibly be our next cba. definitely no
7/3/3/3
2 more dc but taken from profit sharing
loss of 40 hours of sick
verification at 80 per year
no more oe bumps
no change to vacation or cq pay
no per diem increase
aint no way this piece of crap can possibly be our next cba. definitely no
06-04-2015, 07:04 PM
#5596
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06-04-2015, 07:10 PM
#5599
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
You know, here is the sad reality of it.
National, my bargaining agent of the last 25 years, and Dalpa where I have been for way more than half of that time, have earned that "contempt" you speak of. Particularly over the past 3 years. While I appreciate their efforts while we were in BK and after when we worked through that merger, they have flat out phuqued the pooch since the O'Mally/NC debacle.
So, yes I'm going to look at the whole deal. However, there are approximately 6-7 automatic deal killers, that if they are embedded in this TA, will warrant me putting it down and passing on it. So, by definition, I am a NO unless I can reason a YES.
BTW, one of those deal killers is already rumored to be in the deal.
It would be reasonable to believe that many pilots feel this way, especially in light of record profits and and that the company decided to "make it rain" with $6 billion dollar stock buy back and dividend shower- for the investors.
What we are getting is the equivalent of whatever cash was left on the floor, after the blowout, that the janitor finds.
06-04-2015, 07:18 PM
#5600
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 32
Agreed!!! I use to be an avid participant on the DALPA boards but grew very weary of the same knuckleheads(on both sides) hijacking the threads with the same tired old crap. So I left. Went to chit chat forum for literally 10 minutes and quit that. I get my fix on here, especially during contract times. My life is fuller with all the spare time!
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