Details on Delta TA
06-04-2015, 04:50 PM
#5561
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
Here's a random thought:
The MEC is obviously divided on the merits of this agreement.
I hate to see our union go through this divisive exercise. We need unity.
There might be a way to get a 19-0 vote.
ALPA is always accused of mounting a "sales job".
Whether you agree or not, a lot of pilots perceive that as somehow unfair.
That sales ritual is the source of nearly all the acrimony and divisiveness.
One option would be to simply empower the rank and file:
Send it out without the MEC formally recommending a yes or no vote.
Let the line pilots read it and decide for themselves.
Individual ALPA officials can opine to their hearts content.
Just refrain from activating the "machine" this time.
Small "d" democracy. Writ large.
The MEC is obviously divided on the merits of this agreement.
I hate to see our union go through this divisive exercise. We need unity.
There might be a way to get a 19-0 vote.
ALPA is always accused of mounting a "sales job".
Whether you agree or not, a lot of pilots perceive that as somehow unfair.
That sales ritual is the source of nearly all the acrimony and divisiveness.
One option would be to simply empower the rank and file:
Send it out without the MEC formally recommending a yes or no vote.
Let the line pilots read it and decide for themselves.
Individual ALPA officials can opine to their hearts content.
Just refrain from activating the "machine" this time.
Small "d" democracy. Writ large.
06-04-2015, 04:54 PM
#5562
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,456
The fat lady has left the building
Well its done now. No walking this publicity campaign back. There would be too much explaining to do now. Turn up the heat on the voting reps. Nice touch.
Delta pilots union reaches tentative labor deal | www.ajc.com
Delta Has Tentative Labor Contract With Pilots' Union - ABC News
Delta Reaches Tentative Agreement With Pilots on Contract - Bloomberg Business
Delta Pilots Reach Tentative Deal on New Contract With Airline - WSJ
Delta pilots union reaches tentative labor deal | www.ajc.com
Delta Has Tentative Labor Contract With Pilots' Union - ABC News
Delta Reaches Tentative Agreement With Pilots on Contract - Bloomberg Business
Delta Pilots Reach Tentative Deal on New Contract With Airline - WSJ
06-04-2015, 05:01 PM
#5563
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I don't have a clue how many people read this board or if we are just urinating into a gale.
I also don't buy into knee jerk reactions if I can help it, but really, really, concessions? The company is printing money. Printing.
Health insurance covered.
401k filled up to ERISA max.
Profit sharing untouched.
A decent raise.
6 hr min day, each day.
Hotels for new hires.
Scope recaptured.
Those are items that would be included in the worlds best airline contract.
I also don't buy into knee jerk reactions if I can help it, but really, really, concessions? The company is printing money. Printing.
Health insurance covered.
401k filled up to ERISA max.
Profit sharing untouched.
A decent raise.
6 hr min day, each day.
Hotels for new hires.
Scope recaptured.
Those are items that would be included in the worlds best airline contract.
06-04-2015, 05:08 PM
#5564
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: MD CA
Posts: 705
[QUOTE=scambo1;1895875]I don't have a clue how many people read this board or if we are just urinating into a gale.
I also don't buy into knee jerk reactions if I can help it, but really, really, concessions? The company is printing money. Printing.
A decent raise.
seriously??? Decent raise??? Wow! Hope you are a minority.
Try about a 20% Raise Day one. 4% thereafter.
$350 an hour on 777 or No Vote.
I also don't buy into knee jerk reactions if I can help it, but really, really, concessions? The company is printing money. Printing.
A decent raise.
seriously??? Decent raise??? Wow! Hope you are a minority.
Try about a 20% Raise Day one. 4% thereafter.
$350 an hour on 777 or No Vote.
06-04-2015, 05:10 PM
#5565
Snake
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 242
That is strange. But the chitchat site is strange, too. A small number of unhinged wackos have hijacked all civilized discussion over there, making it really toxic. Every thread gets run over by the same five DPA guys. There are also some worrisome anonymous accounts over there.
I think that APC has a better chance of hosting an objective exchange of ideas.
Keep it about the issues, we still have to fly with each other.
I think that APC has a better chance of hosting an objective exchange of ideas.
Keep it about the issues, we still have to fly with each other.
06-04-2015, 05:10 PM
#5566
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
[QUOTE=Commando;1895879]
I hope you're a no vote if the rumors are even close.
I don't have a clue how many people read this board or if we are just urinating into a gale.
I also don't buy into knee jerk reactions if I can help it, but really, really, concessions? The company is printing money. Printing.
A decent raise.
seriously??? Decent raise??? Wow! Hope you are a minority.
Try about a 20% Raise Day one. 4% thereafter.
$350 an hour on 777 or No Vote.
I also don't buy into knee jerk reactions if I can help it, but really, really, concessions? The company is printing money. Printing.
A decent raise.
seriously??? Decent raise??? Wow! Hope you are a minority.
Try about a 20% Raise Day one. 4% thereafter.
$350 an hour on 777 or No Vote.
06-04-2015, 05:20 PM
#5567
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 32
That is strange. But the chitchat site is strange, too. A small number of unhinged wackos have hijacked all civilized discussion over there, making it really toxic. Every thread gets run over by the same five DPA guys. There are also some worrisome anonymous accounts over there.
I think that APC has a better chance of hosting an objective exchange of ideas.
Keep it about the issues, we still have to fly with each other.
I think that APC has a better chance of hosting an objective exchange of ideas.
Keep it about the issues, we still have to fly with each other.
06-04-2015, 05:41 PM
#5569
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Permanently scarred
Posts: 1,707
Rowdy320, I saw what you saw. To see it as one sided over there, well, I don't see how someone could walk away with the impression.
06-04-2015, 05:46 PM
#5570
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Permanently scarred
Posts: 1,707
The general consensus is these numbers are ridiculous, with some saying wait and see what they tell us officially. There are some who seem willing to defend it w/o coming out and saying it, but that could just be my take from scanning too quickly.
Last edited by GunshipGuy; 06-04-2015 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Semantics. Originally worded as "...consider the PS funding to pay for it)"
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