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06-03-2015, 02:41 PM

#5431

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Can you tell us how many jobs were lost

Delta management sure knows.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

and about what the value should have been?

1.5% of the EASK's actually being flown by Delta pilots.

Carl

06-03-2015, 02:44 PM

#5432

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

$30 million is a dirt cheap solution when you put it that way.

Even cheaper when you realize this is a permanent reset. We've not only lost 4% of the EASK's in the past 4 years, we lose that for every year going forward.

Carl

06-03-2015, 03:57 PM

#5433

Raging white

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Can you tell us how many jobs were lost and about what the value should have been?

260 jobs, $392 million

But you'll just have to trust me on this, it will show our hand to the company if I show you the data.

06-03-2015, 04:19 PM

#5434

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by Raging white

260 jobs, $392 million

But you'll just have to trust me on this, it will show our hand to the company if I show you the data.

I think you will see the data soon. There is nothing secret. They fell 1.5% below the EASK. Very easy to calculate the job loss from that.

06-03-2015, 06:06 PM

#5435

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50

Don't take it personally. For some here it's much more about making ALPA/DALPA look bad than the issue itself. Whatever happens it''s too little too late and when we get a great TA they'll try and take credit for it instead of the people really doing the work for us. The agenda is discredit ALPA at every possible juncture.

Are you kidding? We could get a 10,000% pay raise and work rules that would allow us to not have to work all year while getting paid a full month and according to some on here we would have still left money on the table. As you said, it will always be an ALPA bash fest for some.

06-03-2015, 06:08 PM

#5436

Purple Drank

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"We extract maximum leverage by controlling the timeline."

"We increase our chances of success with the credible threat of walking away when the company wastes our time."

Said no Dalpa negotiator ever.

06-03-2015, 06:35 PM

#5437

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I guess I had no idea how the grievance process works. Who knew there was a reasonable chance a arbitrator might have ordered the entire shutdown of Delta's atlantic joint venture. Billions of dollars in revenue gone. Reservation canceled for ticket reservations numbering in the hundreds of thousands gone. A entire alliance shutdown! A probable loss in stock value in the billions. All because they came in at 47% instead of 48.5% on the EASK. Can you imagine the WSJ articles!

Red herring. No arbitrator would ever do that, but even if they did, we could agree to an immediate side letter re-allowing it for a few months, or longer, and leverage that hammer to force meaningful changes with penalties for non compliance. Like from now on our half is no less than 51.5% or the JV is null and void. I bet they'd stay in compliance then.

06-03-2015, 06:39 PM

#5438

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Originally Posted by White Cap

Typhoon Pilot, please stop with all your valid posts. They have no place on xenophobic message boards.

LOL xenophobic. Right. Fly ME3, for great social justice!

06-03-2015, 08:09 PM

#5439

Express pilot

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I heard this next TA is the best ever. I hope so b/c it always passes. Good times

06-04-2015, 02:19 AM

#5440

Professor

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

The best contract out there is probably AA. Why would the company want to give us anything above that contract especially early? Why on earth would any mediator award anything more than pax carrier rates at the end of an arbitration?

The company can sit on this if they really want. If you read my post about BATNA, this is the company's BATNA. Wait. Let it go to mediation. End up with a very modest 10% cost increase to their pilot contract. Shareholders are happy. We are not.
We are back to old school ways of stupid mgmt/labor relations.