pilotc90a

[QUOTE=TED74;1893850]LOL! I can see it now.... hundreds of brown paper bags showing up at the CPO's with bic lighters taped to them...

ExAF

Don't know if he was sent, or just happened to be in the local area, but the MEC Executive Vice Chairman was at the meeting and taking notes. I hope he was listening. After attending the meeting, I actually have a lot of faith in the LEC 1 reps. I really believe they are doing their best at holding the line. They aren't going to sign off on anything that doesn't follow the line pilot's guidance regardless of what the other reps or MEC admin do. They said things that PD posted, but they also said they think we are still in a good position and they think there are a lot of good things coming our way too. I'm cautiously optimistic. They got an earfull at the meeting and I think they take it to heart. I feel their pain when they want to say something but can't due to Mgt keeping their opener secret. I also think it's pretty clear that most of the rumors we are hearing are leaked by Mgt. Waiting for the real deal is a bi@tch.

notEnuf

Which elevation of the bar?

2004 rates + keep profit sharing.

Or

AA + 5% + keep profit sharing.

Or

36% increase in rates

Purple Drank

Here's how I read the C44 update:

"On time. Pass the Beer Nuts."

Flamer

Well at least we got that going for us.

redship

As some mentioned these are percentage increases to hourly pay rates. Keep in mind this does not necessarily mean your W2 will increase by this much. Rates can go up while W2 goes down if we lose ground in other sections of the contract.

scambo1

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I think you answered your own question. DALPA does the survey and gets their reference points...DONE. Now the membership is out of the loop until TA time.

I'm not going to go all in on cost neutral here, but in c12, do you think people asked to trade profit sharing? Do you, in your heart of hearts, believe the 717s weren't coming? Do you believe CDOs were at the "direction of the pilots?"

The rank and file, IMO, are seen as rabble to too many at the higher levels of D/ALPA. Too easy to control using fear and doubt. My opinion is that the survey is summarily disregarded by many after openers are exchanged...instead of being used as a touch stone during negotiations. Dissenters to this approach and dissenters to the company want list are attacked and shouted down then, later drummed out.

I haven't flown with anyone who thinks concessions in any form are acceptable. Most of the guys I fly with believe firmly that the company should max our 401ks every year. My microcosm may or may not be reflective of the wants of a majority of pilots.

Short story long, trust but verify hasn't worked, in my view, for a long time.

scambo1

Not a rumor, but just spitballin'.

We've heard the want to get rid of payback days and pay reserve greens double. They want pilot productivity.

I'm thinking that the company may float a proposal like nwa had with 1.5 pay over 80. I'm thinking, due to far 117, we should have double pay over 80 and keep GS's as they are too.

Anyone?

Scoop

I personally prefer our current system. Not sure that I would like the unintended consequences of 13,000 + Pilots motivated to fly well over 80 hours each month.

If even 5000 pilots flew to 90 hours a month that would approximate 1000 less pilots needed using a current baseline of 75 hours a month.

I bet management would love it.

90-75=15. 15x5000=75,000. 75,000/75hrs = 1000 less DAL Pilots.

Scoop

scambo1

Scoop, no disagreement here. Except that as I have run through my brain what management wants, the only thing I can come up with is this as a negotiable possibility. Therefore, I wrote it down with my rebuttal proposal.

What other possibilities can you come up with in the new far117 paradigm?

PS...if you fly to far max, you take two months off with reserve guarantee at the end of the (rolling) year. No staffing impact is possible.