Sink r8

Well played, and pretty funny! Using North Korea as a metaphor is something I couldn't do, but when you do it...

I don't want the pilots to keep quiet, but in what universe would you expect the boss to express public doubt about his attorney in what he describes as the end-state of a plea-bargain? I expect the reps to be quiet. We should be drowning in speculation by pilots, debate by pilots, input from pilots. Instead, we're getting syncronized mass, public displays of confusion, politics, and more mass.

notEnuf

Sailing,

I refer you to post 5225. It's back a few pages. I posted that to flush out the 37% number because I didn't have a document citing it. Without that my claim would be unsubstantiated. The logic is correct. I have already shown the 2015 first two quarters profit sharing are trending well above 2014. (it's back a little further)

The 4.5 number was used to lowball the PTIX assuming reduction in total profit sharing when the other employee groups get cut. And it's a good red herring because that is a well known number.

28.8 was my number. I will concede yours 20+%. I think we are roughly in agreement. I still welcome your scrutiny.

Carl Spackler

Undoubtedly management has re crunched their own numbers.

I agree. Management has crunched and dissected their own numbers, and our DALPA experts have crunched and dissected management's numbers.

Sure would be great if our union had independent economic and financial analysts.

Oh wait.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Because they are trying to get the NC to remember they work at their behest instead of just firing them. I would fire them immediately, but the reps get to decide that. The reps have decided that it will inure to the greater benefit of this pilot group if they can get this NC to work per their direction instead of the direction of the unelected MEC administration.

Again, I think that's a mistake...but the reps are in charge.

Carl

Sink r8

As you said in a recent sermon, the reps DO control the union and the process. I know you have a ton of energy invested in contradicting yourself on that, but let's face it: the second side side won a long time ago. The reps ARE in control. If they're not happy, they fire the Chairman, or the NC. Absent that, they can vote a TA down. They ARE in charge, literally. They're no less in charge of the MEC than you are of your aircraft. I assume you don't spend a lot of time crying about FO's that don't perform their jobs correctly online, or through leaks, or through rumors. Why are they?

So it's really TWO old guards fighting for control of the MEC, and the TA is but a backdrop for that interminable saga.

Sink r8

Excellent: we agree the reps are in charge. Makes this whole myth of them getting victimized by their underlings amusing, but not really credible. Is it from the Old Testament?

Carl Spackler

Of course you do, you just don't seem to like your clearance when it's read back to you.

You'll understand if I think your analogy to a criminal trial is pretty dopey...right?

The correct analogy is an athlete that has concerns that his agent has been co-opted by the team owners and that agent is no longer negotiating on the athlete's behalf. Said athlete has two choices: 1. Fire the agent and continue negotiations with a new one, or 2. Express doubt publicly about the agent in the hopes said agent knows he's been busted, and if he wants to continue and get a taste of the new contract, he better remember who's hired him.

We know that Sink r8. That's all you've been saying since this started. You seem to only be getting allies from the MEC admins however.

Then you should be happy with this thread.

That's where you go off the rails Sink. It's a public display of strength...not weakness. Anderson and Campbell might even be slightly concerned right now. I believe tbey've been guaranteed that labor risk is off the table by leaders in the MEC administration, and they're a little PO'd right now.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Only you are saying that Sink. If the only way you can win debates is to knock down your own statements, then...

Carl

Sink r8

That's one weird athlete you got there. Did he suffer a head injury?

rube

Again with the association argument?

"They're the bosses" is as non sequitur as it gets. They also signed non-disclosure agreements.

Leaking confidential information is an abuse of trust, could get you investigated by the SEC, and only results in diminished transparency, low-ball proposals by the company, and getting parked at the NMB.

But you like it.