Details on Delta TA
05-24-2015, 09:54 AM
#4761
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You really think they would be asking if they couldn't staff them? Especially when how its written would probably replace more smaller "RJs" for fewer "larger RJ's" thus alleviating their staffing problem, at least to some degree? You really think this is a way to extract value from their stupidity and roll it into payrates or whatever?
05-24-2015, 09:57 AM
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IF true, that would probably pass…assuming there weren't embedded concessions in it at all levels especially "productivity" and scope. I'm not willing to sell hundreds of jobs in work rule changes nor conceed one inch on widebody, Alaska or RJ scope. Not one inch. Any change to Section 1 much be all positive and no negative.
05-24-2015, 11:13 AM
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IF true, that would probably pass…assuming there weren't embedded concessions in it at all levels especially "productivity" and scope. I'm not willing to sell hundreds of jobs in work rule changes nor conceed one inch on widebody, Alaska or RJ scope. Not one inch. Any change to Section 1 much be all positive and no negative.
05-24-2015, 11:26 AM
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IF true, that would probably pass…assuming there weren't embedded concessions in it at all levels especially "productivity" and scope. I'm not willing to sell hundreds of jobs in work rule changes nor conceed one inch on widebody, Alaska or RJ scope. Not one inch. Any change to Section 1 much be all positive and no negative.
05-24-2015, 11:45 AM
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I don't think we will see this exact incarnation of scope concessions. That would be impossible to sell even to the kool aid drinkers and the trust addicts. What I see them doing is trying to replace 50's with 70's or 76'ers or 70's with 76'ers on a slightly negative airframe/block hour basis and trying to paint that as a win. But to go for unlimited 70 seaters would rhetorically undo everything the "hard total DCI limits for the first time in history" from C2012.
I think the first TA will see attempted scope concessions at DCI (and if so it should be a no vote on that issue alone) but not unlimited 70s. That would be a huge overplay of their hand and would do more to unify us over RJ scope than we otherwise would be.
I think the first TA will see attempted scope concessions at DCI (and if so it should be a no vote on that issue alone) but not unlimited 70s. That would be a huge overplay of their hand and would do more to unify us over RJ scope than we otherwise would be.
Definately an attempt to make settling for xx more 76 seat jets for DCI as they park 50 seat jets seem less horrible.
I can't believe our reps would even consider this.
05-24-2015, 11:49 AM
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Int'l Jumpseat taxes and fees
Didn't want to start a new thread.
Planning to Jumpseat from Europe to USA next month on DL and have tight connection. Several times before I've paid my taxes and fees in advance to simplify things for the trip home and lessen the chance I miss the flight by waiting in the ticket line at the European airport. (I know I can't list for the Jumpseat until departing from the European airport, and I know as OAL I must ride in a cabin seat atm.)
But, at two USA airport ticket counters (DL mainline) in past week, I've been met with blank stares and their calls to the internal help lines have been useless. I've done this at least 5 times before (admittedly last time was over 2 years ago) and don't understand why the special services/ticket folks are no longer familiar with this?
Can anyone help with a DL computer reference on the procedure? I'd provide the star code, file reference, or whatever you call it, to the next agent and try again.
PMs welcome if you don't want to post here....thanks.
Planning to Jumpseat from Europe to USA next month on DL and have tight connection. Several times before I've paid my taxes and fees in advance to simplify things for the trip home and lessen the chance I miss the flight by waiting in the ticket line at the European airport. (I know I can't list for the Jumpseat until departing from the European airport, and I know as OAL I must ride in a cabin seat atm.)
But, at two USA airport ticket counters (DL mainline) in past week, I've been met with blank stares and their calls to the internal help lines have been useless. I've done this at least 5 times before (admittedly last time was over 2 years ago) and don't understand why the special services/ticket folks are no longer familiar with this?
Can anyone help with a DL computer reference on the procedure? I'd provide the star code, file reference, or whatever you call it, to the next agent and try again.
PMs welcome if you don't want to post here....thanks.
05-24-2015, 12:29 PM
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Who owns yours?
05-24-2015, 02:20 PM
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LOL oh please. You've got to be kidding, right?
We gave a staffing concession because we wanted to be professionals?
Management was like "we don't care if you get paid to sit at home, thus driving the need for more pilot staffing and a larger training bubble" and we were like "aw come on boss, please let us fly before TOE so we can hone our skills and honor our sacred obligation to those entrusted in our care" and management was like "oh, I don't kow about that" and we were all "please! please let us fly, possibly for free, and in any case compulsory at your discretion not ours, for professionalism!" and they were like "sigh, fine, if it means that much to you…"
And not being able to be scheduled for domestic flights prior to TOE is unprofessional? That's got to be the silliest hyperbole I've ever read on a forum.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were just trying to be sarcastic.
We gave a staffing concession because we wanted to be professionals?
Management was like "we don't care if you get paid to sit at home, thus driving the need for more pilot staffing and a larger training bubble" and we were like "aw come on boss, please let us fly before TOE so we can hone our skills and honor our sacred obligation to those entrusted in our care" and management was like "oh, I don't kow about that" and we were all "please! please let us fly, possibly for free, and in any case compulsory at your discretion not ours, for professionalism!" and they were like "sigh, fine, if it means that much to you…"
And not being able to be scheduled for domestic flights prior to TOE is unprofessional? That's got to be the silliest hyperbole I've ever read on a forum.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were just trying to be sarcastic.
05-24-2015, 02:21 PM
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We are growing (really just recapturing a relatively small portion of previously lost) mainline block hours precicely because thing are bat at the regionals. Making that cut throat back stabbing business model more viable should be THE LAST thing we should ever consider even putting in a TA.
No deal. Automatic no vote.
No deal. Automatic no vote.
Drama.
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