Details on Delta TA
#4601
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
I will never understand why they negotiate items with no input in a vacuum. Apparently they have not seen smart phones yet. We could do a 12,000 pilot instant vote in two days.
Why negotiate LCA trips without first letting the membership know they were being talked about? I can't think of one reason.
The MEC may be going all honey badger again. Just don't GAS about the line guy.
Why negotiate LCA trips without first letting the membership know they were being talked about? I can't think of one reason.
The MEC may be going all honey badger again. Just don't GAS about the line guy.
If LCA trips change was offered at 5% across the board with no other negotiation, what would the group vote?
If offered with 1% what would the vote be?
If CDO's were only paid at GS rates, what would the group vote on that?
#4602
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,184
Funny stuff right there. Keep telling yourself that Carl. You are the schoolyard bully that my mom always told me about. When nobody pays you any attention, you will sit in the corner and cry. My concern is that new hires will buy into your line of tripe. I shouldn't worry about it though, because we hire guys that are smart enough to see you for what you are.
(And it was you that responded to my posts, remember? You are the one with the loneliness match.com complex)
See ya around stud.
#4603
On many issues, discussing the topic of the day and waging PR campaigns on Internet message boards is the only avenue the rank and file membership has to provide any input to the process before the TA is signed.
The MEC administration isn't going to publicly announce that they are negotiating any changes to the line check trip assignment system. It was not in the survey or any other documents published by ALPA.
These web boards are the only source we have.
12,000 people can't call their reps every day and ask "What's new in the negotiations?".
Guys who don't frequent these pages have no idea that first officers may lose the ability to bid trips with line check airmen. Or that those trips might be withheld from the F/O PBS run once a LCA is awarded them. That's something that a lot of pilots might have an opinion on and want to express that opinion to their reps.
We can argue about whether its a "done deal" but I think most pilots would like to at least be made aware that its under discussion.
The MEC administration is not communicating.
I'm grateful that Purple Drank is.
The MEC administration isn't going to publicly announce that they are negotiating any changes to the line check trip assignment system. It was not in the survey or any other documents published by ALPA.
These web boards are the only source we have.
12,000 people can't call their reps every day and ask "What's new in the negotiations?".
Guys who don't frequent these pages have no idea that first officers may lose the ability to bid trips with line check airmen. Or that those trips might be withheld from the F/O PBS run once a LCA is awarded them. That's something that a lot of pilots might have an opinion on and want to express that opinion to their reps.
We can argue about whether its a "done deal" but I think most pilots would like to at least be made aware that its under discussion.
The MEC administration is not communicating.
I'm grateful that Purple Drank is.
Carl
#4604
#4605
I understand about not negotiating in public. That's fine.
But just like the CDO/split duty thing -- this change to bidding with check airmen would be a pretty major change to our contract. There's no good reason to keep it secret. All they would have to do is put out a short memo saying that it is under consideration. No commitment one way or the other.
That wouldn't compromise the negotiations.
But just like the CDO/split duty thing -- this change to bidding with check airmen would be a pretty major change to our contract. There's no good reason to keep it secret. All they would have to do is put out a short memo saying that it is under consideration. No commitment one way or the other.
That wouldn't compromise the negotiations.
Carl
#4606
Carl
#4607
Funny stuff right there. Keep telling yourself that Carl. You are the schoolyard bully that my mom always told me about. When nobody pays you any attention, you will sit in the corner and cry. My concern is that new hires will buy into your line of tripe. I shouldn't worry about it though, because we hire guys that are smart enough to see you for what you are.
(And it was you that responded to my posts, remember? You are the one with the loneliness match.com complex)
See ya around stud.
(And it was you that responded to my posts, remember? You are the one with the loneliness match.com complex)
See ya around stud.
Bad tsquare, BAD TSQUARE!!
Carl
#4608
Maybe. The TA with concessions in multiple areas may be the final nail in the coffin. I know many have said that before, but I think the may actually be the final straw. "IF" this is the case, the door will be wide open for a swift, lethal and strategic move for alternate representation. If they don't capitalize on the opportunity..... Then.....well we are all screwed.
#4609
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,016
Not going to happen man. All we can do now is pressure the hell out of our reps to perform their rightful role. Then vote NO on the TA if it's substandard. The MEC administration and their owners are absolutely convinced we don't have the stones to do that. RA is convinced labor risk is off the table. There's no other substitution than showing we have the guts.
Carl
Carl
#4610
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
Except that's not why the little princess was crying. He was crying because he was being taken apart by an ATL rep who thought the concessions that have been agreed to were unacceptable. That's a huge problem because council 44 is supposed to be in the bag. If one council 44 guy flips, that changes our MEC from 10-9 candy a$$es, to 10-9 restorationists. That's why he was crying because he knew it meant going back to Michael Campbell and the rest of their management partners and family members to reverse course.
As I've said before, it's going to come down to this pilot group voting down a substandard TA. It's the shot across the bow that is the only hope of returning this Union to its rightful owners. It's the one weapon that keeps Harwood (acting MEC chairman) up at night. Nothing can wake Donutelli.
Carl
As I've said before, it's going to come down to this pilot group voting down a substandard TA. It's the shot across the bow that is the only hope of returning this Union to its rightful owners. It's the one weapon that keeps Harwood (acting MEC chairman) up at night. Nothing can wake Donutelli.
Carl
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