D Mantooth

I concur. Wish we still had it.

gloopy

This smells of classic FUD more than anything.

It makes so little sense to operate the exact same type +/- a plug in the tube at two drastically different tiers and cost structures. Management is either attempting to pull wool over our eyes in an absolute genius flanking maneuver/staged retreat/ambush straight out of Braveheart/The Patriot, or (more likely) going to their worn out FUD playbook of floating new aircraft rumors at contract time.

Timbo

New rumor:

Say good bye to dropping trips for IOE...

Funny how these rumors keep popping up, like 4,8,3,3 but then suddenly end up in our CBA.

sailingfun

Just a small point on the 777. We ended up basically a few pennies above managements opener and lost half the airframes. It was not a win. The win was with the earlier 73n rates.

gloopy

If they do re-institute "recovery" for OE, it better have comprehensive protections at the very least.

Like no report one minute earlier, no release one minute later, no redeyes/WOCL if the original didn't have it, hotels in domicile when relevant, one trip for one trip (IOW no string of 1 days to fill up a multi day footprint…they get one bite at the apple only) full pay protection for the greater of the two (preferrably day by day), ample notification (7pm the night before isn't enough notice) and many others.

The previous recovery system was rediculous and hopefully never returns. If we do get OE recovery back, that is a concession, and ironically giving up something we already paid for (1 year freeze for new hires) so the "quid" needs to be staffing positive (not just a payrate "bargaining credit") to mitigate the loss of staffing this causes even if we agree to it.

Mesabah

No, it doesn't, if Endeavor bleeds money while mainline gets all the profits, it makes a lot of sense. CapEx doesn't have an effect on the bottom line, thus you keep END alive with free cash injections. Delta stock goes up, profit sharing goes up, everyone is happy.

gloopy

I'm still not buying it. Not unless we're stupid enough to fall for the previously suggested model of staffing non permitted planes on another regional certificate. I just don't see us falling for that now.

If this rumor was about some other fake miracle jet it would be more credible. But trying to do something revolutionary and filled with section 1 dangers at an unprecidented level by buying yesterday's airplanes today makes no sense.

index

I've heard the same thing.

Also that basically the only things that have been agreed to thus far have been CONCESSIONS. Apparently the NC, Chairman, and 11 reps want to scratch every itch the company has.

AF/KLM "not worth much" and going to get rolled in to the agreement.

Sick leave changes are coming too. Any guess who they benefit?

And if you (sailing) believe that pay and PS haven't been discussed...

Just sayin.

TA next week.

Mesabah

Well, Delta has to patch up DCI, what better way than having mainline pilots fill in the shortage, while DCI gets some kind of ab initio program in place? That way management gets to hold on to those DCI salaries for a little longer. ALPA would be on board with this.

index

You are not wrong. In fact, you are 100% correct.

Those that are still thinking that this time will be different are going to be sorely disappointed.