gloopy

Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of 90 seaters configured with a management desired first class and comfort sections operated at the cut throat bottom feeder ACMI labor buster alter ego certificates is a massive roadblock to a 100 seater being brought to mainline.

It still could happen. JB does it, and at rates dramatically higher than the pathetic revolt inspiring obsolete rates we have for it in our CBA. But their 100 seater is all coach so it would likely be a high 80's or 90 seater configured for mainline.

The 717 was I think a 117 seater for AirTran, including 2 or 3 rows of first class. Its 110 for us.

In any case we need to do everything we can to shrink the large "RJ" portion of DCI. Not more 90/76 seaters for less 50's again. The 90/76ers need to be reduced, period. After that, if a 100 seater makes sense for the network, we'll get it. No concessions necessary.

gzsg

DALPA Lame Excuse For The Day

"The value we can grab today is fleeting."

We need to hurry and make concessions and reduce profit sharing. As Delta becomes investment grade and trades at 13 times earnings our leverage will decrease.

Only the dumbest pilots on earth would believe this fairy tale.

What's the rush?
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gzsg

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/confid...120143922.html

Big E 757

Did someone within DALPA actually say that to you? Please tell me you're just joking

Big E 757

The 100 seaters did eventually show up. The company just happened to jerk us around for 19 years in the process. Look at all the mileage they got out of that one.

tomgoodman

That used to be the conventional wisdom in the Admiral Benbow lounge near closing time.

badflaps

And we all know how well that worked out.

sailingfun

Funny that today RA mentioned to the WSJ he is looking at the 787-1000 jet. during the 1113 contract I think the buzz phrase was "largest widebody order ever". That turned out to be 2 777's.
Perhaps a contract is close at hand!

Check Essential

It's always something.
When they were selling the 96 contract, management and the union promised it would lead to "unprecedented growth".
Turned out ... not so much.

Carl Spackler

Since there are a lot of newer folks here, it's important to point out this latest version of pure idiocy and complete falsehood that is sailingfun.

Nothing in the Railway Labor Act (RLA) or in the charter of the National Mediation Board (NMB) requires concessions to be made. Sailingfun and certain other DALPA operatives who post these pure falsehoods do this frequently around contract time, but it's simply not true. The NMB (under the rules of the RLA) simply require that "negotiations in good faith" take place. Not concessions, just compromise. Here's an example:

Company's position is 5% cuts in all sections of contract. Union's position is 15% gains in all sections of contract based on corporate economics. After good faith negotiations, agreement is made to compromise exactly halfway at 5% gains in all sections of the contract. Result is that both sides compromised, but we didn't make any concessions. We never went backward in any contractual section.

Since bankruptcy, many of us know nothing else but this relatively new phenomenon of all gains having to be funded by offsetting concessions. That's not the case and is not our history. Bankruptcy is over for us. It's time to return to compromise...not concessions. The NMB would absolutely agree. Our problem is that our bargaining agent has been purchased by Delta management. Therefore our union is struggling with how to spin our concessions as good, and our gains as "The World's Greatest Contract." The NMB would be more than willing, but our bargaining agent is not. They've promised labor peace to Delta management.

THAT'S our problem.

Carl