Details on Delta TA
05-09-2015, 04:59 AM
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Which means we will get exactly what we desire and deserve. The survey will be honored.
And if we don't, you plan is perfection.
What's the rush?
05-09-2015, 05:17 AM
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Well Karnak here we are.
I have been saying for 3 an 1/2 years that we cannot staff 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases with all the retirements we have coming. You assured me that it was a walk in the park.
Where does the ignorant, arrogant we know it all leave us?
On the eve of gutting our PWA.
We all agree our execs are very talented. So how did we get here?
I can only imagine what concessions they are pressing for. We work so hard now the list is fairly short. Some has been leaked.
Another increase in the ALV.
An increase in the TLV.
Eliminate all seniority list instructors.
Bar first officers from bidding with line check captains.
More outsourced 76 seat jets.
Revisit CDOs
9 hours for 2 intl pilots
13 hours for 3 intl pilots
This is ALPA's biggest weakness. The lack of any planning. Never proactive. Always reacting to management's playbook.
Karnak I really want to hear what you think we should do. Pick your concessions. Or what does Sailing call them? Tradeoffs.
How many jobs should we give away? Who's job should we give away?
My pick is as posted above. Consequences. Hire flat out and green slips and green slips with conflict until they catch up.
Look no further than the demand for more 76 seat RJs. We make a insane concession in C2012 and what happens? They want more. What is the message?
I have been saying for 3 an 1/2 years that we cannot staff 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases with all the retirements we have coming. You assured me that it was a walk in the park.
Where does the ignorant, arrogant we know it all leave us?
On the eve of gutting our PWA.
We all agree our execs are very talented. So how did we get here?
I can only imagine what concessions they are pressing for. We work so hard now the list is fairly short. Some has been leaked.
Another increase in the ALV.
An increase in the TLV.
Eliminate all seniority list instructors.
Bar first officers from bidding with line check captains.
More outsourced 76 seat jets.
Revisit CDOs
9 hours for 2 intl pilots
13 hours for 3 intl pilots
This is ALPA's biggest weakness. The lack of any planning. Never proactive. Always reacting to management's playbook.
Karnak I really want to hear what you think we should do. Pick your concessions. Or what does Sailing call them? Tradeoffs.
How many jobs should we give away? Who's job should we give away?
My pick is as posted above. Consequences. Hire flat out and green slips and green slips with conflict until they catch up.
Look no further than the demand for more 76 seat RJs. We make a insane concession in C2012 and what happens? They want more. What is the message?
This is what the company wants or what we agreed to?
If more than one of these is included in the PWA it would not pass.
05-09-2015, 05:30 AM
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05-09-2015, 05:47 AM
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I hope we get credit ($) for a reduction in PS that equates to the entire reduction and not just the pilots part. If we agree to a TA that reduces PS you can bet that every Delta employee will get the same reduction. Does anyone know what this % increase would be?
05-09-2015, 05:51 AM
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What I do know and have been saying for years is Delta cannot handle the training required by having 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases coupled with massive retirements. They got away with it after the merger because of age 65 and no growth.
What I know from doing years of ALPA work is there are only a small number of concessions choices. Many I listed. Many are coming our way.
05-09-2015, 05:57 AM
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I have no idea what productivity concessions we will make.
What I do know and have been saying for years is Delta cannot handle the training required by having 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases coupled with massive retirements. They got away with it after the merger because of age 65 and no growth.
What I know from doing years of ALPA work is there are only a small number of concessions choices. Many I listed. Many are coming our way.
What I do know and have been saying for years is Delta cannot handle the training required by having 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases coupled with massive retirements. They got away with it after the merger because of age 65 and no growth.
What I know from doing years of ALPA work is there are only a small number of concessions choices. Many I listed. Many are coming our way.
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