pilotjockey

maybe your survey did. my survey said move a lot of it to hard pay, but dont mistake that for saying that is where the raise should come from

donutelli, nice gotta remember that

gzsg

Well Karnak here we are.

I have been saying for 3 an 1/2 years that we cannot staff 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases with all the retirements we have coming. You assured me that it was a walk in the park.

Where does the ignorant, arrogant we know it all leave us?

On the eve of gutting our PWA.

We all agree our execs are very talented. So how did we get here?

I can only imagine what concessions they are pressing for. We work so hard now the list is fairly short. Some has been leaked.

Another increase in the ALV.
An increase in the TLV.
Eliminate all seniority list instructors.
Bar first officers from bidding with line check captains.
More outsourced 76 seat jets.
Revisit CDOs
9 hours for 2 intl pilots
13 hours for 3 intl pilots

This is ALPA's biggest weakness. The lack of any planning. Never proactive. Always reacting to management's playbook.

Karnak I really want to hear what you think we should do. Pick your concessions. Or what does Sailing call them? Tradeoffs.

How many jobs should we give away? Who's job should we give away?

My pick is as posted above. Consequences. Hire flat out and green slips and green slips with conflict until they catch up.

Look no further than the demand for more 76 seat RJs. We make a insane concession in C2012 and what happens? They want more. What is the message?

Purple Drank

Green slips? More like green slips with conflict.

That's how we "monetize" profit sharing.

Management broke it. They can fix it. We MUST refuse to sacrifice any more QOL due to management's ineptitude.

gzsg

Sadly we are here again with our pants down around our ankles. The insiders still don't understand that the Moak doctrine is a one way street. They get a 700% increase in compensation and we get to make more concessions.

No one should kid themselves. We are going to make large job costing concessions.

In my opinion we need to call our reps and tell them to make the staffing concessions time limited.

Increase ALV 2 hours for 24 months. The 2 hours is paid at double time and they must upgrade 100 captains a month or it goes away.

Making permanent concessions during mind numbing record profits is unacceptable and unconscionable.

Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football over and over and over and over.

Purple Drank

I'm not even on board with that. More time away from my family is not for sale at any price. Make it 100% voluntary (check a box in PBS), maybe, to throw a bone to the guys who want to work more. But reducing QOL more is no way to live.

scambo1

Sir, you and indeed correct.

Right sir.

Yes.

FUPM. Easy peasy. Status quo is better than staffing efficiencies.

Trip7

Profit Sharing Payout based on $10 Billion Company Profit

C2012
2.5*.1=250 million
7.5*.2=1.5 billion
Total=1.75 billion
1.75B/63M
=27.8%

Rumor 2015
4.5*.10=450 million
5.5*.2= 1.1 billion
Total=1.55 billion
1.55B/63M
=24.6%


12 year 777 Captain C2012 vs Rumor 2015 based on $10 billion profit in 2016

C2012
$270.25*1.277= $345.10 effective pay rate with 27.7% PS payout

Rumor 2015
$270.25*1.09=$294.57(DOS 9%)
$294.57*1.06=$312.24(6% raise on 1/1/16)

$312.24*1.246= $389.05 effect pay rate with 24.6% profit sharing payout

$389/$404= 4% short of C2000 buying power plus inflation at the end of 2016

EdGrimley

The devil will be in the details.

As Gloopy said, giving up more "DC9 flying" is a non starter. Watch after giving more 76 seaters a reduction in some of the narrowbody orders.

Spending even more time away from home and slowing seniority progression with additional productivity gives is out of the question after stagnation that's occurred these past 15 years. Let's not screw this up. There's no reason to give anymore work rules. Too much has already been taken. The time is right to get the right contract. Let's not rush this.

Whatever the offer is, DALPA needs to present pro/con, fair and balanced. No sales jobs this time. It weakens your credibility, it makes you look like management tools and weakens the entire structure of the union we call ALPA. DO NOT present the lopsided sales job.

When you say "end of 2016" do you really mean beginning 2017 out of curiosity? Why would you state it that way?

badflaps

If you folks took your time with the contract, what's the worst that could happen? Collect the big bucks in PS 2015?

DAWGS

This right here peeps!!