Details on Delta TA
05-07-2015, 09:29 AM
#3961
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,994
Not my post but this is what's on chitchat: The rumor du jour:
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
05-07-2015, 09:55 AM
#3962
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: 5-9 block, kill removing
Posts: 385
Not my post but this is what's on chitchat: The rumor du jour:
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
Add 3 to each of those annual numbers, delete the profit sharing paragraph, make vacation and training 5:15/day and I'm in.
05-07-2015, 10:08 AM
#3963
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Posts: 165
Not my post but this is what's on chitchat: The rumor du jour:
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
For the "you won't see the C2012 3/3 that would make this year around 15% I think...? I got no beef with the pay/credit compromise as long as we can make it work in PBS.
I've flown with plenty of guys that said 25% alone over three years would be okay. Especially the older ones.
05-07-2015, 10:29 AM
#3964
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
That's about 25% over 3 years. We needed 18% to match American and they are two years behind us for the next contract. PS would still be 2-3 months each based on estimates using Jerry's numbers. That puts ER FO up to almost $200 an hour or so with override which was C2K Tristar pay. $230K-$260K a year with an 87 average and PS. Easy $300K plus with only a few Greenies and no busting my knots.
For the "you won't see the C2012 3/3 that would make this year around 15% I think...? I got no beef with the pay/credit compromise as long as we can make it work in PBS.
I've flown with plenty of guys that said 25% alone over three years would be okay. Especially the older ones.
For the "you won't see the C2012 3/3 that would make this year around 15% I think...? I got no beef with the pay/credit compromise as long as we can make it work in PBS.
I've flown with plenty of guys that said 25% alone over three years would be okay. Especially the older ones.
05-07-2015, 10:30 AM
#3965
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
and keep in mind, that "rumor" didn't even address the pending sick leave, OE, JV, and other givebacks...the other shoe has yet to drop.
05-07-2015, 10:32 AM
#3966
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,108
Insulting, self funding POS..
Rumor grade?? 99% true. Look no further than the pay no credit for vacation and training. To accurate to be false.
If the NYC stipend is $1000, do us DTW pilots have to pay??
Rumor grade?? 99% true. Look no further than the pay no credit for vacation and training. To accurate to be false.
If the NYC stipend is $1000, do us DTW pilots have to pay??
05-07-2015, 10:38 AM
#3967
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A330 First Officer
Posts: 1,465
[QUOTE=gzsg;1875602]Insulting, self funding POS..
Rumor grade?? 99% true. Look no further than the pay no credit for vacation and training. To accurate to be false.
If the NYC stipend is $1000, do us DTW pilots have to pay??[/QUOTE]
Now that's pretty funny!
Rumor grade?? 99% true. Look no further than the pay no credit for vacation and training. To accurate to be false.
If the NYC stipend is $1000, do us DTW pilots have to pay??[/QUOTE]
Now that's pretty funny!
05-07-2015, 10:42 AM
#3968
ready for mo money
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Left Behind
Posts: 84
Not my post but this is what's on chitchat: The rumor du jour:
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
"-- Pay on a three year deal would look like ... 9%DOS, 6% on 1/1/16, 4%, 4% ...
-- Profit sharing concession would look like this ... will go from (10% below 2.5B and 20% above 2.5B) to (10% below 4.5B and 20% above 4.5B).
-- Credit on vacation and training would stay same but "pay hours" would go up ... (possibly keep vacation credit/week at 22:45 but pay as high as 35 hrs/week) ... expect the same type of deal for CQ.
-- retirement would get 1%-2% bump to stay in line with UAL and AA
-- Also considering a base stipend between $1000 and $500/month depending on where you live ... to cover parking and cost of living expenses. (example .. $1000 for NYC and $500 for ATL)
-- We did not have time to discuss sick time or pay banding or training freezes ... (not sure my buddy asked for that info)
-- My buddy got the impression that DALPA is/was "onboard" with these numbers ... So if you disagree, you better bend some reps ears!"
I'd vote No on that. We'd be paying for most of our own "raise".
05-07-2015, 10:49 AM
#3969
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
taking a piece of our money "pie" to solve the company's problem is unacceptable.
This contract is about solving our problems. Or waiting it out while collecting our PS checks.
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