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Old 04-14-2015, 01:41 PM
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Bananie joined in March, and he sounds like an old pro.

I wonder who he was posting as previously?
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Old 04-14-2015, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
All good ideas that many here have talked about for a long time.
Really? I haven't seen a list of them.

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Are you doing anything on the inside to persuade this administration
I'm not on the inside. I'm a line pilot.
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Old 04-14-2015, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Really? I haven't seen a list of them.
I stand corrected...only Karnak has ever posted these ideas.

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I'm not on the inside. I'm a line pilot.
Lee Moak is a "line pilot" too.

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Old 04-15-2015, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Really? Really!

Did it pass? You're being emotional about it. I'm not justifying it, not saying it was a homerun or anything like that. It is just that enough of the group felt the 12 TA was acceptable; therefore it met their minimums. QED.
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:22 PM
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Contract question: If the ADG were to be raised to 6 hours (like FedEx) is there an unintended consequence that we might be getting into? Example, if each day on duty must essentially be worth 6 hours, what would prevent the trip constructions to actually BE 6+ hours of block each day? It wouldn't affect the 757s and up so much, but the small narrowgauge airplanes might find their rotations becoming more fatiguing. DAL abhors credit time, and just because we will have to be paid 6 hours could actually mean tht we will have higher block days. It would be OK for awhile, but I think it wouldn't take long for the fatigue level to rise substantially. What do ya'll think?
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Contract question: If the ADG were to be raised to 6 hours (like FedEx) is there an unintended consequence that we might be getting into? Example, if each day on duty must essentially be worth 6 hours, what would prevent the trip constructions to actually BE 6+ hours of block each day? It wouldn't affect the 757s and up so much, but the small narrowgauge airplanes might find their rotations becoming more fatiguing. DAL abhors credit time, and just because we will have to be paid 6 hours could actually mean tht we will have higher block days. It would be OK for awhile, but I think it wouldn't take long for the fatigue level to rise substantially. What do ya'll think?
I'm all for a better ADG...... I go to work to actually work not hang out shooting the sh!t. But more importantly I would like to see a true minimum day replace the ADG.
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I'm all for a better ADG...... I go to work to work to actually work not hang out shooting the sh!t. But more importantly I would like to see a true minimum day replace the ADG.

Yeah don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it raised too. I just wondered if it could result in more fatiguing trips. We all want more productive trips, but working harder (more productive) ALL the time might be detrimental to that fatigue level over time.
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Old 04-15-2015, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Contract question: If the ADG were to be raised to 6 hours (like FedEx) is there an unintended consequence that we might be getting into? Example, if each day on duty must essentially be worth 6 hours, what would prevent the trip constructions to actually BE 6+ hours of block each day? It wouldn't affect the 757s and up so much, but the small narrowgauge airplanes might find their rotations becoming more fatiguing. DAL abhors credit time, and just because we will have to be paid 6 hours could actually mean tht we will have higher block days. It would be OK for awhile, but I think it wouldn't take long for the fatigue level to rise substantially. What do ya'll think?
6 hrs/day is the only way I'd bid domestic captain.
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Old 04-15-2015, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
Yeah don't get me wrong, I'd like to see it raised too. I just wondered if it could result in more fatiguing trips. We all want more productive trips, but working harder (more productive) ALL the time might be detrimental to that fatigue level over time.
"More Productive" also means less pilots required.

If everyone is flying 6+ hours per day instead of 5:15, they won't need as many pilots to cover all the flying.

Be careful what you ask for.
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Old 04-15-2015, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
"More Productive" also means less pilots required.

If everyone is flying 6+ hours per day instead of 5:15, they won't need as many pilots to cover all the flying.

Be careful what you ask for.
That's right also trips will tend to be less commutable. I am all for 6 hour but not a 6ADG, but a hard 6 hour min per day. I would love to work 13-14 days a month for 78-84 hours of pay.
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