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03-25-2015, 05:37 PM
#3321
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Have you ever seen the Company Opener? Ever? I never have, and this is about my 6th contract. Heck, we didn't even get to vote on them until POS 1996.
The only one we saw bits and pieces of was 'Letter 46 and Letter 51' which were both done in the bankruptcy era and most of it was published in the USA Today.
We'd usually read it there prior to hearing about it from DALPA....
We didn't hear about the company opening for zero percent raises in C2012 until after the vote! If we had heard that part first, no way it ever would have passed!
The only one we saw bits and pieces of was 'Letter 46 and Letter 51' which were both done in the bankruptcy era and most of it was published in the USA Today.
We'd usually read it there prior to hearing about it from DALPA....
We didn't hear about the company opening for zero percent raises in C2012 until after the vote! If we had heard that part first, no way it ever would have passed!
It just amazes me how this "union" bends over backward to follow the requests of management. Why would our union want to keep the company's opening position from us? Is it because their opener was so good, DALPA doesn't want us to get too excited?
Carl
03-25-2015, 05:39 PM
#3322
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
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However, were the company to agree to a 5.15 (or greater) min pay per day guarantee, you would rarely if ever see the example you gave of only one block hour on day two (but which pays 5.15); those trips would simply not be built.
In fact if we were indeed to get a lucrative min day guarantee, then you might see a decrease in commutable trips, as well as a decrease in a lot of the trips you currently see in some domestic categories where you might just fly one leg home to finish a trip. Not to say that it isn't worth pursuing, but that there is no "min day per day fairy" sprinkling extra hours into our schedule, without a change to the trip mix to make it worthwhile to the company.
03-25-2015, 05:58 PM
#3323
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
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Good grief. Could you be any more apparent with your agenda of lowering expectations and aiding management?
Do you collect FPL? Or a bonus from management? Or both?
03-25-2015, 06:05 PM
#3324
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03-25-2015, 07:50 PM
#3325
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
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We did get the openers at NWA Timbo. Both sides' openers. I know that doesn't matter because we're all Delta now and Delta doesn't do it that way. Just giving the history.
It just amazes me how this "union" bends over backward to follow the requests of management. Why would our union want to keep the company's opening position from us? Is it because their opener was so good, DALPA doesn't want us to get too excited?
Carl
It just amazes me how this "union" bends over backward to follow the requests of management. Why would our union want to keep the company's opening position from us? Is it because their opener was so good, DALPA doesn't want us to get too excited?
Carl
"What did you think that rocking chair was for?".
03-26-2015, 02:42 AM
#3326
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Starting to feel like management has created a deadline. Always something artificial to create fear.
"This sale ends Saturday and there will never be another one. Ever."
"We have leverage, but it only lasts so long. We need to wrap this up!"
Here and on the line, the universal sentiment of the line pilots is, wind the watch. We are in no hurry whatsoever. Slow and steady.
This is the best negotiating environment we will ever have. Let's repair the damage and get the PWA we deserve.
IMO management wants to throw just enough money in the pot for a yes vote while gutting sick leave, adding mandatory min month and eliminating first officers bidding with LCAs.
Managment wants to rush us so there are no gains in vacation, min day, training day, etc.
Our leader promised not to rush C2012 then did exactly that. Management played him for a fool. They kept him on their path start to finish.
Make your voice heard.
No one knows better than we do not to rush. The result of rushing is never pretty.
Jerry
Starting to feel like management has created a deadline. Always something artificial to create fear.
"This sale ends Saturday and there will never be another one. Ever."
"We have leverage, but it only lasts so long. We need to wrap this up!"
Here and on the line, the universal sentiment of the line pilots is, wind the watch. We are in no hurry whatsoever. Slow and steady.
This is the best negotiating environment we will ever have. Let's repair the damage and get the PWA we deserve.
IMO management wants to throw just enough money in the pot for a yes vote while gutting sick leave, adding mandatory min month and eliminating first officers bidding with LCAs.
Managment wants to rush us so there are no gains in vacation, min day, training day, etc.
Our leader promised not to rush C2012 then did exactly that. Management played him for a fool. They kept him on their path start to finish.
Make your voice heard.
No one knows better than we do not to rush. The result of rushing is never pretty.
Jerry
03-26-2015, 05:11 AM
#3328
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: New to mother D
Posts: 123
I went to the Atlanta lounge visit before direction was given to the NC and told the DALPA guys that improved rigs were my number one priority. They told me straight up they don't hear this from many pilots.
My opinion: Delta guys are more focused on rates than rigs. We either fly long haul, or think we will soon (which is largely true).
The move to ADG while giving up the duty period rig in the FAR 117 negotiations has resulted in some particularly onerous rotations. Flying at night is part of this job, but the repeated circadian shifts in many of these rotations is eye opening. Ironic that this change occurred as a part of our adaptation to FAR 117.
As far as Herkflyer's comments, it is possible to prevent a company end around work rule improvements. We need more than just one rig (ADG). A min day plus a duty period rig with the contractual requirement to pay the greater of the two.
03-26-2015, 05:28 AM
#3329
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Talk to your reps.
I went to the Atlanta lounge visit before direction was given to the NC and told the DALPA guys that improved rigs were my number one priority. They told me straight up they don't hear this from many pilots.
My opinion: Delta guys are more focused on rates than rigs. We either fly long haul, or think we will soon (which is largely true).
The move to ADG while giving up the duty period rig in the FAR 117 negotiations has resulted in some particularly onerous rotations. Flying at night is part of this job, but the repeated circadian shifts in many of these rotations is eye opening. Ironic that this change occurred as a part of our adaptation to FAR 117.
As far as Herkflyer's comments, it is possible to prevent a company end around work rule improvements. We need more than just one rig (ADG). A min day plus a duty period rig with the contractual requirement to pay the greater of the two.
I went to the Atlanta lounge visit before direction was given to the NC and told the DALPA guys that improved rigs were my number one priority. They told me straight up they don't hear this from many pilots.
My opinion: Delta guys are more focused on rates than rigs. We either fly long haul, or think we will soon (which is largely true).
The move to ADG while giving up the duty period rig in the FAR 117 negotiations has resulted in some particularly onerous rotations. Flying at night is part of this job, but the repeated circadian shifts in many of these rotations is eye opening. Ironic that this change occurred as a part of our adaptation to FAR 117.
As far as Herkflyer's comments, it is possible to prevent a company end around work rule improvements. We need more than just one rig (ADG). A min day plus a duty period rig with the contractual requirement to pay the greater of the two.
03-26-2015, 05:45 AM
#3330
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