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03-23-2015, 04:46 PM
#3271
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03-23-2015, 06:50 PM
#3273
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I live farther from my base than you do, and my category has a lot more diverse flying than yours. You have alternatives to get to ATL out the wazoo. Reserve is no big deal. Bidding a regular line in a vacation month is throwing easy money and time off out the window. Work smarter, not harder.
Guess what? No matter how good a deal vacation and reserve may be, as a commuter all it takes is one short call assignment a(much less several) to throw a wrench into your plans. Commute to sit short call? Bleah
03-23-2015, 08:42 PM
#3274
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I think "woefully" is overly dramatic. But if the per day increases, that is undoubtedly a good thing. I am curious as to what you mean by "do away with knowing when we will have time off".
If you bid reserve, you get a higher paying month and work a lot less. Yeah you are on the short call hook for some days, but if you are in some of these categories, you are also short staffed, and creative bidding will pay off like a drunk slot machine. (I am not in one of those btw)
If you bid reserve, you get a higher paying month and work a lot less. Yeah you are on the short call hook for some days, but if you are in some of these categories, you are also short staffed, and creative bidding will pay off like a drunk slot machine. (I am not in one of those btw)
Now, multiply that times 6 days a month.
Vs. flying a scheduled trip or two, working maybe 8-12 days a month, where Delta is paying for your motel rooms, you have a beer in your hand, and you're getting 100+hr.s pay.
03-24-2015, 04:51 AM
#3275
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How do ya figure that? The value of a vacation day has nothing to do with the number of work days in a vacation month, hence my original question. If you guys do not understand the vacation payout and why bidding reserve in a vacation month is a better deal, you really need to read the contract. Not aimed at you Schwanker, but I hear this question a lot. Here's an example: I had only 5 days vacation in a month that the ALV was 80.45. Care to guess what my reserve payout would be and how many X days I had?
Yes, I could figure out what your payout and X days would be if I cared. One month, I had 17 days vacation. After some convincing of the great deal reserve is for vacation and doing all the math I figured I'd do it. 8 days on call and a descent check. Had to fly a non-commutable 4 day and sit 2 short calls. I will not do that again, at least not as a commuter. I do understand how the vacation would be an excellent schedule enhancer for some, especially those who regularly sit reserve.
03-24-2015, 05:11 AM
#3276
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When a week of vacation only nets a reserve guy four less on call days, I would certainly call it woefully inadequate! Put me down in the more days off camp.
I really don't care how they get there, but the more I think about it, the only way to get seven days off and still have the month work out, is to pay more for each day of vacation.
I really don't care how they get there, but the more I think about it, the only way to get seven days off and still have the month work out, is to pay more for each day of vacation.
03-24-2015, 06:37 AM
#3277
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I've never understood the mentality that because YOU have found something that works for you, therefore everyone else must think the same as you. It seems that there is your way...and then there is the wrong way.
Guess what? No matter how good a deal vacation and reserve may be, as a commuter all it takes is one short call assignment a(much less several) to throw a wrench into your plans. Commute to sit short call? Bleah
Guess what? No matter how good a deal vacation and reserve may be, as a commuter all it takes is one short call assignment a(much less several) to throw a wrench into your plans. Commute to sit short call? Bleah
03-24-2015, 06:38 AM
#3278
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When a week of vacation only nets a reserve guy four less on call days, I would certainly call it woefully inadequate! Put me down in the more days off camp.
I really don't care how they get there, but the more I think about it, the only way to get seven days off and still have the month work out, is to pay more for each day of vacation.
I really don't care how they get there, but the more I think about it, the only way to get seven days off and still have the month work out, is to pay more for each day of vacation.
03-24-2015, 06:39 AM
#3279
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Do you know what a Short Call day means for a Commuter? It means you have to fly to your base, if you can find a ride, since all the jumpseats were booked a week ago, and when you get there, you have to buy a motel room, and then you have to sit there for 12-24 hours, waiting... in a motel room, with no beer, then you have to get home.
Now, multiply that times 6 days a month.
Vs. flying a scheduled trip or two, working maybe 8-12 days a month, where Delta is paying for your motel rooms, you have a beer in your hand, and you're getting 100+hr.s pay.
Now, multiply that times 6 days a month.
Vs. flying a scheduled trip or two, working maybe 8-12 days a month, where Delta is paying for your motel rooms, you have a beer in your hand, and you're getting 100+hr.s pay.
03-24-2015, 07:05 AM
#3280
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Would I feel the same...about what?
I'd always prefer to bid/hold a regular line over a reserve line. I commuted to reserve for about 5 years, hated it, won't ever do it again.
Ever.
Period.
Cap or no Cap.
I like to know what I'm doing every minute of every day of my life, I have several hobbies and I have to schedule them in around my work.
I never want to work more than 12 days a month. Ever. And I know I hate sitting in a motel room on short call waiting for the phone to ring, because I've done plenty of that too. I consider that a huge waste of my valuable time off.
Now...if I could sit short call on a sailboat in the middle of Biscayne Bay, with a glass of rum in my hand...yeah, I'd bid reserve.
I'd always prefer to bid/hold a regular line over a reserve line. I commuted to reserve for about 5 years, hated it, won't ever do it again.
Ever.
Period.
Cap or no Cap.
I like to know what I'm doing every minute of every day of my life, I have several hobbies and I have to schedule them in around my work.
I never want to work more than 12 days a month. Ever. And I know I hate sitting in a motel room on short call waiting for the phone to ring, because I've done plenty of that too. I consider that a huge waste of my valuable time off.
Now...if I could sit short call on a sailboat in the middle of Biscayne Bay, with a glass of rum in my hand...yeah, I'd bid reserve.
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