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01-09-2015, 12:14 PM

#3151

gzsg

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Originally Posted by Oberon

What profit would give us 30% profit share?

$6 to $7 billion. Lots of different math out there.

01-09-2015, 12:40 PM

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RockyBoy

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Of course in 2016 the profit might also be zero. Historically that's probably a far more likely number then 10 billion. I would also be willing to bet oil is in the 80 to 100 dollar range then. We are going to get killed by our hedges next year. american is projected to pay 30 cents a gallon less then us in 15. Combined with the billion dollars invested in the refinery between purchase, upgrades and quarterly losses fuel has not been a bright spot despite managements attempts to justify the purchase.

Yep. Better go easy on em so we can make it through the tough times. One of these times we'll be in a good position to get some gains, but maybe next time. Right now we are only making 4.5 BILLION so we better hunker down because we know that the above is almost a certainty.

01-09-2015, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

And that my friends, is how concessions get sold during times of record profits.

01-09-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

And that my friends, is how concessions get sold during times of record profits.

I forget. When was C2K ratified?

Did you point out the "fear mongering" then?

01-09-2015, 03:40 PM

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Purple Drank

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Originally Posted by Karnak

I forget. When was C2K ratified?

Did you point out the "fear mongering" then?

Fascinating how the Dalpa insiders alternate between "this isn't C2K!" and "we ought to compare this to C2K!" however it suits them.

Anything to avoid accountability and hurting their prospects as members of management.

01-09-2015, 03:58 PM

#3156

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We also need to stay focused on the AF/ KLM JV violation coming up in a few weeks. Let's get that squared away before we worry about C15.

01-09-2015, 05:45 PM

#3157

RockyBoy

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Originally Posted by Check Essential

And that my friends, is how concessions get sold during times of record profits.

Exactly. It's amazing to see how these guys think. I just don't get it.

01-10-2015, 04:31 AM

#3158

Karnak

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank

Fascinating how the Dalpa insiders alternate between "this isn't C2K!" and "we ought to compare this to C2K!" however it suits them.

Nearly as fascinating as those who blithely predict sunshine and lollipops FOREVER!

01-10-2015, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Karnak

Nearly as fascinating as those who blithely predict sunshine and lollipops FOREVER!

I think the saying is "make hay when the sun shines."
It's shining brightly so it's time to be rewarded for the last decade of rain.

01-10-2015, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwanker

I think the saying is "make hay when the sun shines."
It's shining brightly so it's time to be rewarded for the last decade of rain.

I agree. There's no question the timing is good for us to make some hefty gains.

I also don't think there's any question that most of us remember how short-lived the hefty gains were in the last decade. We survive as pilots because we don't trust everything to be hunky dory all the time. With C2015, how cautious or how aggressive we should be is not up to any one of us. It's up to all of us. In the end, if ALPA is too cautious, our ratification vote will make that clear. I'm ok with that.