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Old 12-12-2014, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Call your reps and ask them about the survey results. I thought about posting what I was told on here but better people ask for themselves.
I did, and was given the same talking points why it's a bad idea to make the survey results public.
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Old 12-12-2014, 03:24 PM
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With regards to the survey - I for one do not have an issue with then releasing the pilot group's "wants" to the company. In the past we have lost negotiating ground when info was released.

That being said - if you want to know what the stats will look like - just go to the DPA site, where they freely publish their survey results..for all 1500 people that participated.

http://delta-pilots.org/storage/docs...%20Results.pdf
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Old 12-12-2014, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dtfl
With regards to the survey - I for one do not have an issue with then releasing the pilot group's "wants" to the company. In the past we have lost negotiating ground when info was released.

That being said - if you want to know what the stats will look like - just go to the DPA site, where they freely publish their survey results..for all 1500 people that participated.

http://delta-pilots.org/storage/docs...%20Results.pdf
I thought they had 0ver 5000 highly involved "members?" Yet, they only get roughly 25 percent participation from their group on the survey?
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:35 AM
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After scope, the one thing the vast majority of our pilots agree on is pay. Our MEC chairman has stated many times he hears us. We want historic gains in our pay.

As line pilots we need to make our voices heard. We need a rock solid foundation on which to build C2015 so we don't wake up to another 4,8,3,3.

That baseline is the Delta pilot hourly rates from May 2004 date of signing. ONE PENNY LESS IS A "NO" VOTE.

The promised historic will be rates much higher than this date of signing, but as we all know and many have pointed out, pay comes in many forms.

These hourly rates are over a decade old.

In this historically profitable environment, there is no excuse not to attain these rates and more. If we fail to speak up and make our voices heard, we will get much less and a trainload of excuses.

Together we can carry the day. Our negotiators cannot fail if 12,000 Delta pilots walk into the room with them each and every session.

Spend 10 minutes a month communicating with your reps. Contacting the negotiating team.

Don't walk by your reps when they do crew room presence. Stop, introduce yourself. Thank them for their service. Then tell them the 2004 hourly rates are the minimum for your yes vote and your expectations are high.

Are you going to ride in the wagon or get out and help pull?

Speaking up will put dollars in your pocket. Improve scope and get you more time off.

Just do it.

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Old 12-16-2014, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
After scope, the one thing the vast majority of our pilots agree on is pay. Our MEC chairman has stated many times he hears us. We want historic gains in our pay.

As line pilots we need to make our voices heard. We need a rock solid foundation on which to build C2015 so we don't wake up to another 4,8,3,3.

That baseline is the Delta pilot hourly rates from May 2004 date of signing. ONE PENNY LESS IS A "NO" VOTE.

The promised historic will be rates much higher than this date of signing, but as we all know and many have pointed out, pay comes in many forms.

These hourly rates are over a decade old.

In this historically profitable environment, there is no excuse not to attain these rates and more. If we fail to speak up and make our voices heard, we will get much less and a trainload of excuses.

Together we can carry the day. Our negotiators cannot fail if 12,000 Delta pilots walk into the room with them each and every session.

Spend 10 minutes a month communicating with your reps. Contacting the negotiating team.

Don't walk by your reps when they do crew room presence. Stop, introduce yourself. Thank them for their service. Then tell them the 2004 hourly rates are the minimum for your yes vote and your expectations are high.

Are you going to ride in the wagon or get out and help pull?

Speaking up will put dollars in your pocket. Improve scope and get you more time off.

Just do it.

Jerry
Well said Jerry. You can't complain about it if you did not try to "fix" it
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dtfl
Well said Jerry. You can't complain about it if you did not try to "fix" it

I agree. Just curious, what "actions" to fix it are you talking about?


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Old 12-18-2014, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
I agree. Just curious, what "actions" to fix it are you talking about?


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Fill out the survey. Contact your reps, etc, etc...volunteer for ALPA even, but b$tching about them when you have not done the above
Makes you part of the problem vs solution
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Old 12-28-2014, 08:13 PM
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I'm an outsider here, but just curious what you guys hope to gain scope wise? If management came to you with an offer to bring 900's on the property, is there support for that? What if they asked for something in return?

(For context, I hope to join your ranks eventually so more mainline flying is alright by me!)


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Old 12-28-2014, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BATOL
I'm an outsider here, but just curious what you guys hope to gain scope wise? If management came to you with an offer to bring 900's on the property, is there support for that? What if they asked for something in return?

(For context, I hope to join your ranks eventually so more mainline flying is alright by me!)


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There is probably a larger group than I want to admit that are against that. They may say things like I didn't come to Delta to fly regional jets, is anyone coming over with those jets, I'm not paying for that, and so on.
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Old 12-29-2014, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BATOL
I'm an outsider here, but just curious what you guys hope to gain scope wise? If management came to you with an offer to bring 900's on the property, is there support for that? What if they asked for something in return?

(For context, I hope to join your ranks eventually so more mainline flying is alright by me!)


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We got some gains on our narrow body scope in our last contract, trading a couple hundred 50 seat RJ's for 717's but we also allowed more 76 seat RJ's.

Don't forget the scope at the other end of the food chain, where the big money is (for pilot pay). We need to tighten up our International Flying JV language and bring more of our International Code Sharing back in house too.
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