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Old 11-27-2014, 08:34 AM
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Heard a rumor that the pilot participation on the contract survey was 54%. He said his source was from one of the LECs.
Well, that will make it easy when someone starts complaining about C2015.

Q1 to them: Did you fill out a survey?

When the answer is "no" followed by an excuse, the conversation will be over as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Well, that will make it easy when someone starts complaining about C2015.

Q1 to them: Did you fill out a survey?

When the answer is "no" followed by an excuse, the conversation will be over as far as I'm concerned.
Ditto......
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Old 11-27-2014, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Well, that will make it easy when someone starts complaining about C2015.

Q1 to them: Did you fill out a survey?

When the answer is "no" followed by an excuse, the conversation will be over as far as I'm concerned.
I agree that it's pretty lame that so many pilots didn't participate in the survey. However, a 54% sampling of the pilot group will provide very accurate data. A random polling of 1500 Americans can usually predict a presidential election within +/- a few percent. 54% should provide very solid results of what the pilot groups wants. Not that we will ever know but thats a different discussion. Happy Thanksgiving to all.
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Old 11-27-2014, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
I agree that it's pretty lame that so many pilots didn't participate in the survey. However, a 54% sampling of the pilot group will provide very accurate data. A random polling of 1500 Americans can usually predict a presidential election within +/- a few percent. 54% should provide very solid results of what the pilot groups wants. Not that we will ever know but thats a different discussion. Happy Thanksgiving to all.
The survey would not be considered random polling. There would be bias based on who actually is willing to take the time to fill out the survey. For that reason the MEC has chosen to increase the Wilson polling which is random. That however costs money and will reduce your dues refund. It would have been better to have 100% participation.
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Old 11-27-2014, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Well, that will make it easy when someone starts complaining about C2015.

Q1 to them: Did you fill out a survey?

When the answer is "no" followed by an excuse, the conversation will be over as far as I'm concerned.
What's more concerning is what that says about pilots' faith in ALPA.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
What's more concerning is what that says about pilots' faith in ALPA.
And just exactly what DOES it say?

For everyone who argues the survey response being low means pilots don't believe it matters, there will be another who argues the survey response being low means those pilots trust ALPA and will be content with the results.

Neither side can prove why someone did not fill out the survey, and to say otherwise, is pure conjecture.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
And just exactly what DOES it say?

For everyone who argues the survey response being low means pilots don't believe it matters, there will be another who argues the survey response being low means those pilots trust ALPA and will be content with the results.

Neither side can prove why someone did not fill out the survey, and to say otherwise, is pure conjecture.
You sure you work at this airline?

I think it's pretty obvious that apathy is the reason. The DPA might be dead, but there are still around 4000 that keep renewing their cards. That puts the odds of me being correct squarely in my favor.
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Old 11-27-2014, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
You sure you work at this airline?

I think it's pretty obvious that apathy is the reason. The DPA might be dead, but there are still around 4000 that keep renewing their cards. That puts the odds of me being correct squarely in my favor.
You really think there are 4000 active DPA cards? I take most everything TC puts out in his newsletter with a high degree of skepticism. Divide that number by 10 and you might be getting close.

How many people do you know that have an active card on file?
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
You really think there are 4000 active DPA cards? I take most everything TC puts out in his newsletter with a high degree of skepticism. Divide that number by 10 and you might be getting close.

How many people do you know that have an active card on file?
I agree, however I think it's likely settled down to around 3-4k and will stabilize there via my encounters. Only the really hardcore ones are left.

Regardless, do you really think that PG is correct in trying to say that the low participation is due to incredible faith in ALPA?
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Old 11-27-2014, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I think it's pretty obvious that apathy is the reason. The DPA might be dead, but there are still around 4000 that keep renewing their cards. That puts the odds of me being correct squarely in my favor.
I agree it is apathy, but I disagree over why they are apathetic.
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