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Old 10-06-2014, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
The Co is working on the fringes of a mature contract. Not a lot of efficiencies to squeeze out of a pilot group working to the FARs with horrible vacation and a nefarious sick leave policy. 5 bucks says we see this one in the opener.
Who is working to FARs? Certainly not me or any number of guys I have met. I rather like our vacation system as well--though we need more pay per day.

If you think we have a "horrible" vacation system (outside of internet la-la land anonymous whining) then you just don't understand all the great things that you can do with it (vacation slide, vacation any, purchase more vacation days, bid reserve in a vacation month, then Rolling Thunder, etc).
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Old 10-06-2014, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
The Co is working on the fringes of a mature contract. Not a lot of efficiencies to squeeze out of a pilot group working to the FARs with horrible vacation and a nefarious sick leave policy. 5 bucks says we see this one in the opener.
Horrible vacation? Really? In November, the ALV (and res guarantee) in my category is 72. I will bid reserve with 9 days of vacation. I'll be "on call" for 12, and get paid 79:39. Yeah, it really really sucks.
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Old 10-06-2014, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Horrible vacation? Really? In November, the ALV (and res guarantee) in my category is 72. I will bid reserve with 9 days of vacation. I'll be "on call" for 12, and get paid 79:39. Yeah, it really really sucks.
Wow. You got 5 less on call days for 9 days of vacation. Amazing. You really need to get some friends at FDX and SWA.

When vacation value goes to 5:15, call me. Still won't be as good as SWA but at least we will be in the same zip code.
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Old 10-06-2014, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Oberon, why do you post here? What is your agenda?
So it's ok for you and your friends to have one view point/agenda but no one else? Grow up kid.
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Old 10-06-2014, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
So it's ok for you and your friends to have one view point/agenda but no one else? Grow up kid.
Of course, he can have his viewpoint/agenda. Never said or implied otherwise. I'd just like to hear what it is.
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Old 10-06-2014, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Wow. You got 5 less on call days for 9 days of vacation. Amazing. You really need to get some friends at FDX and SWA.

When vacation value goes to 5:15, call me. Still won't be as good as SWA but at least we will be in the same zip code.
You assume a pilot is senior under the FDX system. A junior guy can get hosed!
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Who is working to FARs? Certainly not me or any number of guys I have met. I rather like our vacation system as well--though we need more pay per day.

If you think we have a "horrible" vacation system (outside of internet la-la land anonymous whining) then you just don't understand all the great things that you can do with it (vacation slide, vacation any, purchase more vacation days, bid reserve in a vacation month, then Rolling Thunder, etc).
I know numerous guys that are flying to fars. That is, however, their choice. The company isn't making them do it. I've been flying pretty close to fars only due to GSing. I like 117 because it has given me a greenie every month this year. In my category, it isn't brutal (currently). 12-14 days a month for 130+ hrs of pay. Domestic narrow body is certainly a different story.
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Old 10-06-2014, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Wow. You got 5 less on call days for 9 days of vacation. Amazing. You really need to get some friends at FDX and SWA.

When vacation value goes to 5:15, call me. Still won't be as good as SWA but at least we will be in the same zip code.
Yeah, you're right. Everything about SWA is better. I shoulda paid for a type rating and gone to work there. I'd be a 737 captain by now.
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Old 10-06-2014, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
And that kind of a trade would screw anyone who was trying to drop a high time trip, if it meant their line would go below a certain value.

While on the surface, a 6hr. min day in trades sounds great, and it would work for the domestic trips, most of our 8+ hour International legs won't benefit by a 6hr. min day, but WILL be affected if you have a 30-45+ hour international trip on your 80hr. line and you want to drop it, to pick up something else, or just get some time off.

Beware of what you ask for, you might get it!

Perhaps there should be a different rules for International trips vs. domestic trips, when it comes to min line value, min hrs./day, etc.?

And then there's the whole Green Slip game too...drop all your trips, and only pick up greenslips, double your line value in an understaffed category? Maybe that's what they are really after?
A yearly rolling minimum would take care of any dropping issues I think. Isn't there a green slip minimum line value already?

I think this discussion is moot anyway since gzsg has provided no evidence that the company wants a minimum line value and it wasn't on DALPA's radar enough to include it on the survey.
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Old 10-06-2014, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Of course, he can have his viewpoint/agenda. Never said or implied otherwise. I'd just like to hear what it is.
I've written more about myself than any regular poster on this thread. Click on my posting history if you are really interested.
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