Details on Delta TA
10-03-2014, 07:51 AM
#2561
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Position: C560XL/XLS/XLS+
Posts: 1,278
Yep, we had over 1000 727 and L1011 C's at one time.
10-03-2014, 07:54 AM
#2562
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Fixed your post Alfa.
Outside the DALPA echo chamber, people discuss various topics without the concern of being labeled as someone against unity. Outside the DALPA echo chamber, we line pilots who really trudge away doing the important work don't think you're weak and spineless. We just think your philosophy of appeasing management at all costs is not best for us.
You prefer being back on the inside Alfa. The real world has made you even grumpier than when you were in the echo chamber.
I don't hide my fear, I clearly state it. Our bargaining agent for C2015 will not discuss a clear objective. That agent will not release survey results, our opening position, or a study showing how much money Delta pilots have given since 2004. That agent lost a lawsuit by TWA pilots for failing to represent them, and tried to bust the union of its own internal clerical workers. That leaves me fearful for our futures.
Carl
Outside the DALPA echo chamber, people discuss various topics without the concern of being labeled as someone against unity. Outside the DALPA echo chamber, we line pilots who really trudge away doing the important work don't think you're weak and spineless. We just think your philosophy of appeasing management at all costs is not best for us.
You prefer being back on the inside Alfa. The real world has made you even grumpier than when you were in the echo chamber.
I don't hide my fear, I clearly state it. Our bargaining agent for C2015 will not discuss a clear objective. That agent will not release survey results, our opening position, or a study showing how much money Delta pilots have given since 2004. That agent lost a lawsuit by TWA pilots for failing to represent them, and tried to bust the union of its own internal clerical workers. That leaves me fearful for our futures.
Carl
You are an executive at a large company. That is a provable fact. One with a debatable conflict of interest and a real conflict to what you present here as to your reasons for hating ALPA so much.
This place... due to the simple fact that it is an anonymous blog does nothing to get the decertification that would be so beneficial to your personal life. No... you are nothing more than a grenade thrower and a ladder climber. You've reached the top here... now it's on to bigger more lucrative ones. The sad thing is that you will leave the rest of those that buy into your crapola here in the chaos that will no longer affect you. My only hope at this point is that the lurkers can see thru your rhetoric for what it truly is.
It's crystal clear who you are Carl.. Crystal.
Last edited by tsquare; 10-03-2014 at 08:06 AM.
10-03-2014, 07:59 AM
#2563
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
The bulk of the job loss in that time frame was due to large productivity changes in the contracts. We could go to straight FAR's now and it would be far less job loss then back then. We also have much better furlough protection now then back then.
Last edited by sailingfun; 10-03-2014 at 08:16 AM.
10-03-2014, 08:34 AM
#2564
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 429
Here is my confusion with this series of posts: Are we saying the company used to spend 35% of our gross to fund the DB? I need an R&I expert here, but I gotta think that is waay high. Greater than 15% yes, but 35%?? Need expert input, not Forumnomics. OFG
10-03-2014, 08:41 AM
#2565
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
In down years, the company had to make contributions to bring the fund up to that 6% line, which could cost them a bundle depending on how little the fund had earned (or how much it lost) in the market.
I'm no R+I expert, perhaps there's one here who can give all the gory details, but the company absolutely saved Billions by flushing our DB plan and putting us on a DC plan.
Today, one of Delta's biggest outstanding debts (in the Billions) is the funding of the frozen NW DB plans.
10-03-2014, 10:09 AM
#2566
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
No... you are nothing more than a grenade thrower and a ladder climber. You've reached the top here... now it's on to bigger more lucrative ones. The sad thing is that you will leave the rest of those that buy into your crapola here in the chaos that will no longer affect you. My only hope at this point is that the lurkers can see thru your rhetoric for what it truly is.
Carl
10-03-2014, 10:44 AM
#2567
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
Fixed your post Alfa.
Outside the DALPA echo chamber, people discuss various topics without the concern of being labeled as someone against unity. Outside the DALPA echo chamber, we line pilots who really trudge away doing the important work don't think you're weak and spineless. We just think your philosophy of appeasing management at all costs is not best for us.
You prefer being back on the inside Alfa. The real world has made you even grumpier than when you were in the echo chamber.
I don't hide my fear, I clearly state it. Our bargaining agent for C2015 will not discuss a clear objective. That agent will not release survey results, our opening position, or a study showing how much money Delta pilots have given since 2004. That agent lost a lawsuit by TWA pilots for failing to represent them, and tried to bust the union of its own internal clerical workers. That leaves me fearful for our futures.
Carl
Outside the DALPA echo chamber, people discuss various topics without the concern of being labeled as someone against unity. Outside the DALPA echo chamber, we line pilots who really trudge away doing the important work don't think you're weak and spineless. We just think your philosophy of appeasing management at all costs is not best for us.
You prefer being back on the inside Alfa. The real world has made you even grumpier than when you were in the echo chamber.
I don't hide my fear, I clearly state it. Our bargaining agent for C2015 will not discuss a clear objective. That agent will not release survey results, our opening position, or a study showing how much money Delta pilots have given since 2004. That agent lost a lawsuit by TWA pilots for failing to represent them, and tried to bust the union of its own internal clerical workers. That leaves me fearful for our futures.
Carl
Look, if you really believe one thousandth of what you say here, you would call up Richard Anderson, arrange a meeting and tell him the what, what. Give it to him with both barrels. I mean you are such a tough guy you should be able to break him down in a minute or two. And then it will be raining money. Give us a full report after you have that meeting.
Right now I just can't afford to be on the inside. First I would have to recover from the frying pan smack on the skull from my wife and then I would have to cut my pay by about 10-20%. I just looked at my YTD W2 for the profit sharing check and I have already made more than in 2012 when I supposedly was living the ALPA dream. Still got three more months to go and I am in a lower paying piece of equipment. So, no, not looking to get back on the inside, I will be a cheerleader this time.
I just enjoy exposing you for what you are. A keyboard warrior that is too chicken to ever step up and put the fate of 12,000 pilots' careers in your hands. You over compensate with your boasting and personal attacks. I think your act is wearing thin with most people by now. Which of course makes you even more desperate. I am not any grumpier, just more willing to expose you for what you are. A fraud.
10-03-2014, 10:50 AM
#2568
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Then tell your boy to shut it down.
The rest of your post is the usual spin. Interesting, but desperate.... spin. I'm not keeping an archive of Carl, so I am not going to re-post stuff that you have made up, and flat out lied about. I'll let those lurking decide that for themselves. Maybe I am all wet. Maybe I am wrong in their eyes. But I'll let them decide. You keep right on doing what you are doing which is nothing but lobbing grenades from the safety of your executive office. Yup... know all about that too.
The rest of your post is the usual spin. Interesting, but desperate.... spin. I'm not keeping an archive of Carl, so I am not going to re-post stuff that you have made up, and flat out lied about. I'll let those lurking decide that for themselves. Maybe I am all wet. Maybe I am wrong in their eyes. But I'll let them decide. You keep right on doing what you are doing which is nothing but lobbing grenades from the safety of your executive office. Yup... know all about that too.
10-03-2014, 10:55 AM
#2569
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
10-03-2014, 10:56 AM
#2570
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
With all due respect, Carl, you often state your opinions and/or beliefs as though they were fact, and only when called upon to provide proof do you acknowledge them as being such. You and I have discussed this several times.
While it is true that you do not say they are facts, you don't always make it clear initially that they're only opinions. I think that's what Tsquare is talking about.
While it is true that you do not say they are facts, you don't always make it clear initially that they're only opinions. I think that's what Tsquare is talking about.
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