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Oberon,

You've kind of been there before. I know you've been furloughed from an airline job, however you have not been furloughed from a major airline job. A lot of people will not even talk to you about a job while on furlough because they KNOW you will eventually get called back and WILL leave. Not so much if furloughed from another regional airline.

Oberon

Agreed. I didn't mean to be flippent about furlough. I realize it's a life changing event. My furlough was more of a life lesson than a life changing event. At the time I had nothing to lose. It taught me to prepare for the worst case scenario. I'm certainly not at the point where I could afford not to work but I'm also not in a position where I'd lose my house or cars either. My back up plan isn't flying.

Carl Spackler

In 2198 I'm explaining to you what others may have meant when they referred to you as an operative. In the other posts you cite, I don't use that word anywhere. You're trying to hold on to a claim even after you've been shown it's false, so I won't push this anymore. Your pride won't let you admit a mistake.

Bottom line is that for whatever your motivations, you're working hard to ensure the minimization of pilot costs to Delta. There's a lot of folks here who clearly see it too. I just hope these activities of which you are part ultimately fail.

Carl

tsquare

It's what Carl does. That and make up things.

Wingnutdal

You are such a liar. Here is the evidence.

nwaf16dude

Don't mean to minimize furlough risk, but how many of those 3100 jobs lost were due to the loss of flight engineer positions? I'd guess it's a pretty large portion. DC-10's, 747-200's, 727s, L-1011's...that's a lot of extra dudes.

NERD

Oberon , If you're this much of a know it all on probation I can't imagine once you're off. Are you one of the problem children know it alls they've had trouble with in indoc?

Oberon

I wouldn't say I'm a problem child. They were doing indoc all wrong so I told them how to do it right. They should probably be thanking me.

Seriously though, I hadn't heard of issues in indoc; do you have details?

alfaromeo

There is the real world and then there is Forumlandia. In the real world, accomplishments mean something and sideline whine artists are looked at with scorn.

In Forumlandia, the sideline whiners are viewed as truly heroic while the people trudging away doing the work are viewed as weak and spineless.

I think I prefer the real world. I know you prefer Forumlandia. Easy to be a big shot in Forumlandia where don't have to take any responsibility and you can hide your fear behind bloviation.

Carl Spackler

Fixed your post Alfa.

Outside the DALPA echo chamber, people discuss various topics without the concern of being labeled as someone against unity. Outside the DALPA echo chamber, we line pilots who really trudge away doing the important work don't think you're weak and spineless. We just think your philosophy of appeasing management at all costs is not best for us.

You prefer being back on the inside Alfa. The real world has made you even grumpier than when you were in the echo chamber.

I don't hide my fear, I clearly state it. Our bargaining agent for C2015 will not discuss a clear objective. That agent will not release survey results, our opening position, or a study showing how much money Delta pilots have given since 2004. That agent lost a lawsuit by TWA pilots for failing to represent them, and tried to bust the union of its own internal clerical workers. That leaves me fearful for our futures.

Carl