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09-26-2014, 03:13 PM
#2411
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
Finis, my man...someone has to say this. You had a great career, and seem like a good guy--even though we seem to agree on nothing.
You have earned a fantastic retirement. Why are you sullying it by wading back in? This is a backwater swamp. You belong on the open water. I envy you for being able to walk away from this madness.
You just retired. Let go. Get dialed in to your new life. Lingering here is not healthy. Come back in a year or two. Talk to badflaps, Tom Goodman, etc. They found their way back here...and are solid contributors. I value their opinions and perspective. They've moved on, and emotionally distanced themselves from the insanity. Please do the same.
You have earned a fantastic retirement. Why are you sullying it by wading back in? This is a backwater swamp. You belong on the open water. I envy you for being able to walk away from this madness.
You just retired. Let go. Get dialed in to your new life. Lingering here is not healthy. Come back in a year or two. Talk to badflaps, Tom Goodman, etc. They found their way back here...and are solid contributors. I value their opinions and perspective. They've moved on, and emotionally distanced themselves from the insanity. Please do the same.
Last edited by Purple Drank; 09-26-2014 at 03:31 PM.
09-26-2014, 03:25 PM
#2412
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
Sadly, your story has become tiresome.
09-26-2014, 03:30 PM
#2413
Moderator
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,991
Day one going from Noon to 10am was a QOL hit for all reserves and also a hit to staffing over all (including green slips, etc). Long call staying at 12 hours (13 then 12) when we were sitting on a slam dunk grievance that would have made it at least 19 was a huge savings to the company in staffing. Why do you think they "gave" us the increase in ADG in the first place? It was worth it to them. We were sitting on a huge "hammer" and we sold it.
Once again, the ADG increase was a gain. But we paid a lot for it.
Once again, the ADG increase was a gain. But we paid a lot for it.
OK - I get it, but that is where is where I get confused - maybe I am not remembering it correctly - so feel free to correct me if I am making a mistake in my recollection.
Wasn't the day 1 no earlier than noon obligation part of SD's management memo that came along with a two hour long call acknowledgement? I may be wrong (happens all the time) but it appears that you are taking the good portion of his decree which was not contractual and disregarding the bad portion. I think its a leap to assume a grievance win when the New FARs basically made our contract obsolete. And didn't the "no acknowledgment" requirement prove this?
Would you be willing to trade a 2 hour long call acknowledgement for a no earlier than noon show on day 1?
What was the contractual day 1 show time prior to the SD memo?
Even if the Day 1 show time was contractual at noon, I would still think the 5:15/day for all Pilots, reserve and line-holder, every rotation would win a referendum vote hands down against a potential day 1 report at 1000 obligation for a reserve Pilot.
I fly reserve more often than a line and I would take that every day of the month.
As far as potential leverage squandered - I don't know and I think we are getting into hypotheticals there. I am very happy with the 5:15/ADG.
Scoop
09-26-2014, 04:13 PM
#2414
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 777 Sim Instructor
Posts: 745
Finis, my man...someone has to say this. You had a great career, and seem like a good guy--even though we seem to agree on nothing.
You have earned a fantastic retirement. Why are you sullying it by wading back in? This is a backwater swamp. You belong on the open water. I envy you for being able to walk away from this madness.
You just retired. Let go. Get dialed in to your new life. Lingering here is not healthy. Come back in a year or two. Talk to badflaps, Tom Goodman, etc. They found their way back here...and are solid contributors. I value their opinions and perspective. They've moved on, and emotionally distanced themselves from the insanity. Please do the same.
You have earned a fantastic retirement. Why are you sullying it by wading back in? This is a backwater swamp. You belong on the open water. I envy you for being able to walk away from this madness.
You just retired. Let go. Get dialed in to your new life. Lingering here is not healthy. Come back in a year or two. Talk to badflaps, Tom Goodman, etc. They found their way back here...and are solid contributors. I value their opinions and perspective. They've moved on, and emotionally distanced themselves from the insanity. Please do the same.
(Fire bell and the horse.)
09-27-2014, 02:38 AM
#2416
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: retired 767(dl)
Posts: 5,740
Finis, my man...someone has to say this. You had a great career, and seem like a good guy--even though we seem to agree on nothing.
You have earned a fantastic retirement. Why are you sullying it by wading back in? This is a backwater swamp. You belong on the open water. I envy you for being able to walk away from this madness.
You just retired. Let go. Get dialed in to your new life. Lingering here is not healthy. Come back in a year or two. Talk to badflaps, Tom Goodman, etc. They found their way back here...and are solid contributors. I value their opinions and perspective. They've moved on, and emotionally distanced themselves from the insanity. Please do the same.
You have earned a fantastic retirement. Why are you sullying it by wading back in? This is a backwater swamp. You belong on the open water. I envy you for being able to walk away from this madness.
You just retired. Let go. Get dialed in to your new life. Lingering here is not healthy. Come back in a year or two. Talk to badflaps, Tom Goodman, etc. They found their way back here...and are solid contributors. I value their opinions and perspective. They've moved on, and emotionally distanced themselves from the insanity. Please do the same.
Last edited by badflaps; 09-27-2014 at 02:46 AM. Reason: Reference
09-27-2014, 05:13 AM
#2417
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Just as factual is the concept that the minimum amount of flying required for Delta to codeshare beyond NRT rose from an average of 116,400 to a minimum of 182,750 annual block hours. In other words, this trade increased the protected number of block hours by over 55%.
Carl
09-27-2014, 05:26 AM
#2418
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
Actually, the protected amount of Pacific flying is 85% of what was being operated at the time this deal was struck, not 80%. Similarly, the original requirement for operate 316 NRT slots was 80% of the number being operated by NWA at that time.
Just as factual is the concept that the minimum amount of flying required for Delta to codeshare beyond NRT rose from an average of 116,400 to a minimum of 182,750 annual block hours. In other words, this trade increased the protected number of block hours by over 55%.
I've not seen it in writing, but I've certainly heard it stated over and over again at roadshows and PUB events. Have you heard or seen in writing that DALPA intends NOT to file a grievance?
Are you sure about that? I've heard that we're not growing Europe as much as we had planned, but not that we're shrinking there. And what are AF/KL/AZ doing in the meantime. Their growth or shrinkage from Europe would also affect the balance of flying, right?
Just as factual is the concept that the minimum amount of flying required for Delta to codeshare beyond NRT rose from an average of 116,400 to a minimum of 182,750 annual block hours. In other words, this trade increased the protected number of block hours by over 55%.
I've not seen it in writing, but I've certainly heard it stated over and over again at roadshows and PUB events. Have you heard or seen in writing that DALPA intends NOT to file a grievance?
Are you sure about that? I've heard that we're not growing Europe as much as we had planned, but not that we're shrinking there. And what are AF/KL/AZ doing in the meantime. Their growth or shrinkage from Europe would also affect the balance of flying, right?
09-27-2014, 07:25 AM
#2419
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
Love the video. Touch my monkey!!! Touch it!!!!!!!!!!!!
09-27-2014, 07:36 AM
#2420
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,299
If it's not in writing, it's meaningless blather. And no, I've not seen it in writing that DALPA will NOT file a grievance. I've read nothing at all, which is the point. The original question was one of examples of how DALPA doesn't defend contract language. You DALPA defenders can hang your hat on April 1, 2015 all you want, but that JV language will NOT be grieved...100% guaranteed. It will either be excused away as language too weak to grieve, or negotiated away. 100% guaranteed.
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