TeddyKGB

Fair enough, point for tsqure.

Oberon

You are welcome to hire a PD to investigate me too. Same deal as Carl.

I've already given my association with ALPA and the company. My ALPA experience was on the Compass PBS committee, which is nonpolitical. I have no association with DALPA outside of the new hire dinner and an email about the multi use bank. So there you go. Your spidy sense detected experience which I've already disclosed.

DAL 88 Driver

If you don't mind me asking... When did you learn to fly? How long have you been in this profession?

gloopy

Day one going from Noon to 10am was a QOL hit for all reserves and also a hit to staffing over all (including green slips, etc). Long call staying at 12 hours (13 then 12) when we were sitting on a slam dunk grievance that would have made it at least 19 was a huge savings to the company in staffing. Why do you think they "gave" us the increase in ADG in the first place? It was worth it to them. We were sitting on a huge "hammer" and we sold it.

Once again, the ADG increase was a gain. But we paid a lot for it.

Carl Spackler

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. My opinion is that the language could not have been more clear and in our favor. Had we grieved it, we would have won easily. It's a moot point now because not only did DALPA refuse to grieve it, DALPA agreed to codify the scope abuse as a new permanent section of our scope.

So what sailingfun? It was iron clad language that required a minimum number of departures out of Tokyo Narita. It's now gone. DALPA negotiated it away. That's a fact.

Read your first sentence, then read your second sentence.

But they didn't did they. Instead they got DALPA to remove our minimum departures out of Narita. Also, I'm willing to bet that the code share was more than a "penny or two" for the company.

Incredible spin. We gave away our minimum number of departures out of Narita. We replaced it with more "iron clad" language (like the iron clad language we just gave up) to have a minimum level of Pacific flying. That level being 20% LESS than what we were currently flying. That's a fact.

DALPA has done no such thing that I've read. If I'm wrong, please post the language that makes it clear DALPA intends to file a grievance.

They have indeed made it worse. We're pulling down Europe flying during the cure period.

Carl

Carl Spackler

It's just the first three examples that popped into my head, although scope relaxation is a favorite desire of management and an equally desirous thing of DALPA to give away. There are many more examples.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Come on finis, that's not what goes on here. The vast majority of disagreements go on with no labeling. It happens with a very small percentage of people and we all know who they/we are.

Carl

gloopy

That was a huge "hammer" that they needed. Desperately. If they pushed it to a grievance, they would have lost all or most of it. Slam dunk. This was critical for them, despite how cool they played it.

We did get "what we had before" even though we gave up a lot more to get it.

We inherited a hammer we weren't expecting to get. Then we sold it for way less than market value. We did get a gain out of it though.

Carl Spackler

Since I've repeatedly done it, it should be easy to find. Please post where I've ever said that.

Great opportunity for you to show your stuff tsquare. Happy hunting.

Carl

Alan Shore

Actually, the protected amount of Pacific flying is 85% of what was being operated at the time this deal was struck, not 80%. Similarly, the original requirement for operate 316 NRT slots was 80% of the number being operated by NWA at that time.

Just as factual is the concept that the minimum amount of flying required for Delta to codeshare beyond NRT rose from an average of 116,400 to a minimum of 182,750 annual block hours. In other words, this trade increased the protected number of block hours by over 55%.

I've not seen it in writing, but I've certainly heard it stated over and over again at roadshows and PUB events. Have you heard or seen in writing that DALPA intends NOT to file a grievance?

Are you sure about that? I've heard that we're not growing Europe as much as we had planned, but not that we're shrinking there. And what are AF/KL/AZ doing in the meantime. Their growth or shrinkage from Europe would also affect the balance of flying, right?