DAL 88 Driver

Well yeah... obviously there's some level of hourly pay increase, more vacation pay, etc. that would not only "get us close" but would completely close the gap. It would have to be more than 4833. I still don't want too high a percentage of our pay "at risk."

DAL 88 Driver

I like the tip jar idea! Imagine if they tipped each of us the same way they'd tip a waiter for say a $15 meal. 3 bucks a piece and I've doubled my pay from last year!

Alan Shore

I hear you. I'm just thinking that the more risk I'm willing to take, the greater the potential returns. Whenever I look with envy at the raises enjoyed by upper management, I am always reminded of just how much of that pay is at risk, too.

There's probably an acceptable balance in there somewhere.

Alan Shore

More like 11, 3, 3, as the other two was simply a profit sharing conversion.

Agreed.

scambo1

Herk,

If you voted for it in '12, you'd vote for it again today.

"Deserve" what a lame word choice.

I'm not trying to make this personal, but really.

For all the regular yes voters out there, the difference between a yes and a no is that with a no, you actually push the no button. The universe will not separate at the seams when this is done.

Everybody should fill out the survey, stay engaged with their reps, study whatever TA is put in front of us...but if the TA deserves a "no", then for cryin' out loud, push no.

DAL 88 Driver

Yep. I agree. Although it should be pointed out that taking more risk does not necessarily mean greater potential returns. That's one of the fundamental principles I rely on for my investing. Risk should always be managed carefully.

Elliot

The airborne "tip jar" is coming again, in just ten short days. It's known as Breast Cancer Awareness month at Delta. Some of the flight attendant's get a little much when begging for donations from paying passengers.
GJ

DAL 88 Driver

Subtract 2% per year for inflation, and that becomes 911!

tsquare

Absolutely. I think the term "restoration" however is meaningless. I prefer to look forward and not back. If I had just learned to hit a hanging curveball I wouldn't be talking to any of youse guys.
You doing OK after this weekend? ouch.

Herkflyr

Nope. I voted for it in '12...AND I would do so again if I had a magic time machine. You focus on numbers (which weren't too bad anyway) but forget some of the other improvements (to be fair we also had some concessions). The best improvement was a permanent increase to the reserve guarantee, and the fact that reserves with vacation, mil leave etc, have their own "personal" reserve guarantee. That more than made up for the possibility to fly a reserve to ALV+15 (though to be fair, that was a needless concession).

Not lame at all. Our company is even more wildly profitable than 2-3 years ago, and I won't vote for a pay increase that might have been palatable in 2012 but won't be in 2015/16.

Your point is a good one. Voting no will not put DAL out of business tomorrow, but voting yes doesn't mean that we are forever fools and locked into poverty for life. One quote I once heard and liked was "this week's 'crisis' is next week's barely remembered footnote." I remember riding the crew van once with a guy who was absolutely convinced that our recently ratified C2K was the worst agreement imaginable, and he was going to quit ALPA because of it. I believe he is now a 777 captain (no, not you Timbo).

You better believe it.