Details on Delta TA
09-18-2014, 05:07 AM
#1991
ready for mo money
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I have some ideas, but it would be foolish to post them here.>>>>
But yet, some think that publishing survey results here is "unfoolish"? I think everyone thinks that for the most part that pilots "think like they do" and that there is going to be this unified support on every issue that they hold dear like "CDOs." (We can see from the DPA survey that they aren't that unpopular over there).
The perception now is a vast majority of pilots do not want CDOs (I certainly don't) but say the survey shows a majority of pilots actually want them? The company comes to the table demanding them.... Do you have more or less leverage with the company knowing exactly the percentage of pilots who want them?
To me it is exactly the same reason you wouldn't publish your complete strategy (assuming you were actually in a position to implement it and not just typing on a forum) until you were ready for action.
I have some ideas, but it would be foolish to post them here.>>>>
But yet, some think that publishing survey results here is "unfoolish"? I think everyone thinks that for the most part that pilots "think like they do" and that there is going to be this unified support on every issue that they hold dear like "CDOs." (We can see from the DPA survey that they aren't that unpopular over there).
The perception now is a vast majority of pilots do not want CDOs (I certainly don't) but say the survey shows a majority of pilots actually want them? The company comes to the table demanding them.... Do you have more or less leverage with the company knowing exactly the percentage of pilots who want them?
To me it is exactly the same reason you wouldn't publish your complete strategy (assuming you were actually in a position to implement it and not just typing on a forum) until you were ready for action.
displaying a contract survey for the company to see???? wth?
talk about shooting all of us in the foot right before we are about to negotiate a new contract with the company actually making record profits
ygbsm, the madness and idiocy of that group knows no bounds
09-18-2014, 05:39 AM
#1992
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,431
the Detroit Pilots Association is attempting to wreck my career as badly as the alpo clan
displaying a contract survey for the company to see???? wth?
talk about shooting all of us in the foot right before we are about to negotiate a new contract with the company actually making record profits
ygbsm, the madness and idiocy of that group knows no bounds
displaying a contract survey for the company to see???? wth?
talk about shooting all of us in the foot right before we are about to negotiate a new contract with the company actually making record profits
ygbsm, the madness and idiocy of that group knows no bounds
09-18-2014, 05:59 AM
#1993
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
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Negotiations involve give and take. This example was unusual in that some of the give and take happened after some TA language was agreed to.
While the entire CDO part was a mess, the end result was very good. "What happened" is that reserve long callout remained where it had been since C2K at 12 hours. "What happened" was that the ADG kicks in Nov 1, effective forever from that point forward,
While the entire CDO part was a mess, the end result was very good. "What happened" is that reserve long callout remained where it had been since C2K at 12 hours. "What happened" was that the ADG kicks in Nov 1, effective forever from that point forward,
"What happened" is that the company got the benefits of the LOA immediately--and relief from our contractual protections--IMMEDIATELY. We have to wait 6 months to enjoy our upside.
09-18-2014, 06:00 AM
#1994
Straight QOL, homie
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09-18-2014, 06:13 AM
#1995
Straight QOL, homie
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I certainly agree on no erosion of QOL or productivity.
That said, I'm intrigued by Option B in Question 28 of the survey. This is the question on pay banding and asks if we would be in favor in a staffing neutral way, e.g., more vacation. This could give the pilot group fewer trips to Virginia Avenue in exchange for more vacation, saving us more negotiating dollars for $$$, while not reducing pilot staffing or requiring more work.
Thoughts on that?
That said, I'm intrigued by Option B in Question 28 of the survey. This is the question on pay banding and asks if we would be in favor in a staffing neutral way, e.g., more vacation. This could give the pilot group fewer trips to Virginia Avenue in exchange for more vacation, saving us more negotiating dollars for $$$, while not reducing pilot staffing or requiring more work.
Thoughts on that?
My thoughts are, you are floating another lead trial balloon for DALPA.
My thoughts are, only a hardened hack would attempt to spin the concession of longer freezes as a positive by promoting it as "fewer trips to Virginia Avenue."
You appear to have abandoned all pretense of being a neutral line pilot unaffiliated with DALPA. Or are you still trying to obfuscate your intent?
09-18-2014, 06:17 AM
#1996
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We wait 6 months for the 5:15 ADG, and the company waits the same amount of time for the new PWA duty limits.
09-18-2014, 06:22 AM
#1997
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Posts: 19,588
"What happened" is that DALPA gave up the 13 hour callout it already secured to get rid of the CDOs it foolishly asked for.
"What happened" is that the company got the benefits of the LOA immediately--and relief from our contractual protections--IMMEDIATELY. We have to wait 6 months to enjoy our upside.
09-18-2014, 06:34 AM
#1998
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Because I'd rather spend time on vacation than in training, all other things being equal. And if I can more vacation by training less and not losing pay when I stay on my same equipment, I fully expect to see that much more in pay rates.
My thoughts are, this balloon was floated by DALPA in the survey, and I for one find it interesting.
Who said anything about longer freezes? I have friends at UAL who tell me that their normal freeze is 24 months, but you can always get out of a freeze to bid into a higher paying band.
You appear to have abandoned all pretense of being a neutral line pilot who is willing to have an adult conversation about issues facing us today.
I know you're capable of better. Why are you so afraid to simply talk about these issues?
I know you're capable of better. Why are you so afraid to simply talk about these issues?
09-18-2014, 06:48 AM
#1999
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
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Posts: 588
What "utter failure"? What's your hypothesis on why our elected reps and negotiating committee fails to deliver for the line pilot (paraphrasing)?
09-18-2014, 07:20 AM
#2000
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Would ya'll please stop quoting PDs incessant juvenile lunacy. It is so much nicer here when I don't have to read the rants of someone living in his parents' basement and whining about having to pay rent.
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