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09-08-2014, 11:24 AM
#1661
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Stop exaggerating, you are becoming much like what you dont like with DPA.
TEN
09-08-2014, 12:25 PM
#1662
Straight QOL, homie
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09-08-2014, 12:32 PM
#1663
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09-08-2014, 12:39 PM
#1664
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09-08-2014, 12:40 PM
#1665
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09-08-2014, 01:15 PM
#1666
Wind the clock beoch
Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 437
Exaggeration may have been the wrong word to use, but surely you understood TEN's point. He was chastising you for continuing to beat a dead horse. You're too stubborn and arrogant to admit you were wrong. TC apologized for his comments. Why haven't you moved on sailing?
I find it ironic that you're in the same crowd that will overlook a CRIMINAL ACT (hacking someone else's website) and pass it off as a prank, yet mere words, tasteless as they may have been, offends you to the core. Although TC apologized for his remarks, you continue to be "offended." Talk about hypocrisy and double standards.
I find it ironic that you're in the same crowd that will overlook a CRIMINAL ACT (hacking someone else's website) and pass it off as a prank, yet mere words, tasteless as they may have been, offends you to the core. Although TC apologized for his remarks, you continue to be "offended." Talk about hypocrisy and double standards.
09-08-2014, 01:44 PM
#1667
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I have had a good career except for the first 6 years, I freely admit that. I will never be senior on anything, but I have enough to hold where I am for now. But going forward, after the loss of the whales are absrbed, everybody is going to have a much better career. I can agree to disagree about the cap thingy. Fair enough?
09-08-2014, 02:21 PM
#1668
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So you would agree that as a super-senior captain, your goals and objectives for doing so are far different, and your risk tolerance much less, than those of someone more junior with a longer career ahead.
Also--is your quest to take care of yourself being conducted as a line pilot, or as a member of management (or future hopes to join management)?
09-08-2014, 02:25 PM
#1669
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09-08-2014, 02:36 PM
#1670
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Conventional wisdom seems to be that the company will again come after productivity in the next negotiation. As such, I certainly don't blame ALPA for asking us our feelings about the various ways in which management might seek to address that. We each need to give loud and clear answers to these questions, so that there is no ambiguity as to how the pilot group feels.
1) What happens if we don't get enough participation for the results to be meaningful?
2) What happens if we don't get a clear mandate on concessions? Do we bluff with the company?
3) What happens if there is a low turnout, say 30%, but 60% of 30% of pilots that bothered with the survey want vacation sell-backs (for example)? Do we have a duty to get vacation sell-backs for the pilots for 18% of the guys? Do we start buying the right to make concessions to please them?
4) If we're to be driving the process, is a month enough time to make a decision on some of the hard items? As the reps in at least two councils have stated, some of the items are, or could be, concessionary. The reps have been considering those for months, with SME's and costing data, but many pilots outside APC have never heard of some of the items.
I do have one question, though, for the crowd. Has anyone ever done or seen a study on whether it is better to become more productive (assuming that you can capture 100% of the value of that productivity in higher pay rates) or remain as is?
For example, suppose you make some sort of change in the contract that makes you more productive, e.g., higher ALV, pay banding, vacation sellback, whatever. Suppose further that you accurately determine the value of the resulting decrease in required staffing and increase pay rates by an equivalent amount.
The result is that each pilot will progress in his career at some slower rate, resulting in less seniority, slower upgrade, etc. At the same time, all pay rates will have been adjusted upward by some amount. Assuming the pilot flies the same number of hours or days either way, would the slower time to upgrade eventually overcome the higher pay rates overall, or vice versa, or would it make no difference?
Honest question -- I have no idea. Anybody?
For example, suppose you make some sort of change in the contract that makes you more productive, e.g., higher ALV, pay banding, vacation sellback, whatever. Suppose further that you accurately determine the value of the resulting decrease in required staffing and increase pay rates by an equivalent amount.
The result is that each pilot will progress in his career at some slower rate, resulting in less seniority, slower upgrade, etc. At the same time, all pay rates will have been adjusted upward by some amount. Assuming the pilot flies the same number of hours or days either way, would the slower time to upgrade eventually overcome the higher pay rates overall, or vice versa, or would it make no difference?
Honest question -- I have no idea. Anybody?
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