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#1631
You've been around long enough to know this business is neither fair nor predictable. It is tumultuous though.
You can let this fence injustices you speak of eat you from the inside out or move on.
I would venture to guess if you polled those you fly with that were NBC FUR, those who flushed and moved on are doing better than those that harbor and bathe the transgressions and oppression only they feel.
Look no further than TC. Let it go. Don't be a TC.
You can let this fence injustices you speak of eat you from the inside out or move on.
I would venture to guess if you polled those you fly with that were NBC FUR, those who flushed and moved on are doing better than those that harbor and bathe the transgressions and oppression only they feel.
Look no further than TC. Let it go. Don't be a TC.
#1632
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
But wouldn't you be in a worse position if they didn't allow the displaced 747 Capts. an early out?
What if 25 of them come to the 767ER in NYC, rather than retire early?
What if 25 of them come to the 767ER in NYC, rather than retire early?
#1633
That's not at all the point. If they get this, I want targeted retirements for the 757 retirements. It's only right that my union fight to keep me from getting displaced just as hard as they did on this abortion.... and I'll be around another 11 years to keep paying dues.
#1634
Well, it seems one of our thin skinned moderators---johnso29---has taken it upon himself to ban Carl from APC under the guise of posting a cheerleader pic! Way to go johnso!
Love him or hate him, Carl adds a ton to the discussion here.
It's a sad state of affairs at APC when moderators don't act impartially.
Johnso you, like the ALPA, have a serious credibility problem.
Love him or hate him, Carl adds a ton to the discussion here.
It's a sad state of affairs at APC when moderators don't act impartially.
Johnso you, like the ALPA, have a serious credibility problem.
#1635
I don't want a cap. I want more money to do the flying I have become accustomed to.There is no way that you can get the kind of pay increase you are talking about having to get to both institute a cap, hire more pilots to (essentially) overstaff each category and equal the W2 I would get without all the fluff. It's just math.
A 10% increase in hourly rates and a 12% decrease in flying is a W2 paycut.
The slower upgrade argument is a thing of the past too. Any of this would be minute, and unnoticed.
A 10% increase in hourly rates and a 12% decrease in flying is a W2 paycut.
The slower upgrade argument is a thing of the past too. Any of this would be minute, and unnoticed.
#1636
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
That's not at all the point. If they get this, I want targeted retirements for the 757 retirements. It's only right that my union fight to keep me from getting displaced just as hard as they did on this abortion.... and I'll be around another 11 years to keep paying dues.
I was displaced off the MD88 Captain seat, back to 757 F/O for 6 more years, when the company parked our DC9's and gave all that flying to Com Air and ASA. I don't remember anyone asking for an early out program to absorb those losses, which would have been nice.
A few years later (1996) the company did allow 500 (+5) out early and they all came right off the top, in seniority order, not by fleet, but they did hold back some of the LCA's to train their replacements. Sort of like the PERPs in 2004.
#1637
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Position: C560XL/XLS/XLS+
Posts: 1,278
Well, it seems one of our thin skinned moderators---johnso29---has taken it upon himself to ban Carl from APC under the guise of posting a cheerleader pic! Way to go johnso!
Love him or hate him, Carl adds a ton to the discussion here.
It's a sad state of affairs at APC when moderators don't act impartially.
Johnso you, like the ALPA, have a serious credibility problem.
Love him or hate him, Carl adds a ton to the discussion here.
It's a sad state of affairs at APC when moderators don't act impartially.
Johnso you, like the ALPA, have a serious credibility problem.
#1638
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
But I don't see how that can be possible, considering where we are in our career. First of all, I think the average age of the Delta pilot is in the low fifties. So most of us will have to live with the consequences of what we do now. Second, the upper half of the list has been starved for advancement. It took years to work off the merger surplus, but it's finally been done of the FO side, and we're getting NB upgrade opportunities. Not so much for the Captains, who haven't yet benefited from retirements in any meaningful way. They need to see benefits, because they're slowly working their way to 65. That clock is ticking. The time they have to benefit is finite. Any productivity setback, especially a combination of setbacks, each costing a hundred pilots, or a couple of pilots, is deadly to a NB guy that's been waiting and waiting for an upgrade.
Of course, it works the same throughout the list, as these concessions would hit all categories in similar proportions, and so the bottom of the food chain will be affected. It doesn't feel like it right now, because we're hiring aggressively. But that can change in an instant, can't it?
A nice early deal, a few innocuous concessions (the impact of which wouldn't be obvious until afterwards), and RA can give us a nice pay bump, call it a victory, and retire. It would take a few AE's where nothing happens, a memo or two about suspending hiring, before it dawned on us that we have screwed ourselves.
So no, I don't think I'm alone, and you're not alone: we cannot afford to give more productivity increases.
#1639
Way out of bounds??? Puhhhhhlllleeeeasseee.
I'll add you to the list of the thinned skinned. You must be a barrel of fun to fly with. What are your other sensitivities?
Last edited by index; 09-08-2014 at 04:30 AM.
#1640
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 12,037
Index, are you Carl's alter ego?
If he's banned (and nobody seems to stay gone from this place forever, after all the site lives on page clicks) then at least there is a chance for a return to this site's reputation for fact filled posts and thoughtful discussion.
I miss Joan Rivers but wont miss Carl. (... and he will not give us a chance to miss him, he will be back)
If he's banned (and nobody seems to stay gone from this place forever, after all the site lives on page clicks) then at least there is a chance for a return to this site's reputation for fact filled posts and thoughtful discussion.
I miss Joan Rivers but wont miss Carl. (... and he will not give us a chance to miss him, he will be back)
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