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09-06-2014, 07:10 PM
#1601
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
I'm not looking to be punitive. I'm trying to find a way to protect us from ourselves. You and I have been around long enough to remember when this was a good job --- 75 hour hard cap, zero medical premiums, DB plan. Now, guys are flying 90+ hours at straight pay on a regular basis. Guys fly 100+ hours credit in vacation months, effectively flying a full month and getting their vacation pay on top of that. As a result, seat progression has been non-existent for many of us for many, many years.
I'm simply asking us to consider rolling back the limits on straight pay flying. Is that so bad?
I'm simply asking us to consider rolling back the limits on straight pay flying. Is that so bad?
09-06-2014, 07:25 PM
#1603
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Trip parking is where you move trips from your line to someone else's line so that you can pickup open time then you move the trips back. Normally it was done using swap with friends and only required two pilots to carry it out.
09-06-2014, 07:41 PM
#1604
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 737A
Posts: 1,890
OK, I disagree with that then. Scenario: I am an in base guy, and I want to pick up a trip in open time but I have a trip that conflicts. I am trying like hell to drop it but capped reserve days prevent it. That trip gets picked up by another base's pilot, and miraculously I then find someone that wants my trip. Dammit... that trip I DID want is now gone. That sucks. MEX here I come.
09-06-2014, 07:51 PM
#1605
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
Mafia in this context is an organized group of flt attendants who use the high seniority of some coupled with a computer program to scour the swap boards, pickup trips, and broker them out to junior flt attendants for money...I've only heard all the stories, I have zero evidence.
Trip parking is where you move trips from your line to someone else's line so that you can pickup open time then you move the trips back. Normally it was done using swap with friends and only required two pilots to carry it out.
Trip parking is where you move trips from your line to someone else's line so that you can pickup open time then you move the trips back. Normally it was done using swap with friends and only required two pilots to carry it out.
The practice of manipulating pick ups and swaps still goes on though. Among pilots and flight attendants. It violates seniority and it violates the contractual max pick up limits. ALPA put a stop to the most basic forms of trip parking but it still occurs and if we ever get out of base swaps it will become a HUGE issue again.
Out of base pick ups and swaps would be an enormous can of worms. If your "friends" are senior enough you could bid NYC and never fly a trip out of NYC. Just live in ATL and pick up all the ATL trips. Or SEA or SLC or any base you like.
09-06-2014, 07:58 PM
#1607
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Management cracked down on the flight attendant mafias when they found out there was money changing hands. Its against company policy to sell trips. The "bot" computer programs they were using were incredibly efficient at sweeping up open time.
The practice of manipulating pick ups and swaps still goes on though. Among pilots and flight attendants. It violates seniority and it violates the contractual max pick up limits. ALPA put a stop to the most basic forms of trip parking but it still occurs and if we ever get out of base swaps it will become a HUGE issue again.
Out of base pick ups and swaps would be an enormous can of worms. If your "friends" are senior enough you could bid NYC and never fly a trip out of NYC. Just live in ATL and pick up all the ATL trips.
The practice of manipulating pick ups and swaps still goes on though. Among pilots and flight attendants. It violates seniority and it violates the contractual max pick up limits. ALPA put a stop to the most basic forms of trip parking but it still occurs and if we ever get out of base swaps it will become a HUGE issue again.
Out of base pick ups and swaps would be an enormous can of worms. If your "friends" are senior enough you could bid NYC and never fly a trip out of NYC. Just live in ATL and pick up all the ATL trips.
09-06-2014, 08:33 PM
#1608
Runs with scissors
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Going to hell in a bucket, but enjoying the ride .
Posts: 7,730
Management cracked down on the flight attendant mafias when they found out there was money changing hands. Its against company policy to sell trips. The "bot" computers they were using were incredibly efficient at sweeping up open time.
The practice of manipulating pick ups and swaps still goes on though. Among pilots and flight attendants. It violates seniority and it violates the contractual max pick up limits. ALPA put a stop to the most basic forms of trip parking but it still occurs and if we ever get out of base swaps it will become a HUGE issue again.
Out of base pick ups and swaps would be an enormous can of worms. If your "friends" are senior enough you could bid NYC and never fly a trip out of NYC. Just live in ATL and pick up all the ATL trips. Or SEA or SLC or any base you like.
The practice of manipulating pick ups and swaps still goes on though. Among pilots and flight attendants. It violates seniority and it violates the contractual max pick up limits. ALPA put a stop to the most basic forms of trip parking but it still occurs and if we ever get out of base swaps it will become a HUGE issue again.
Out of base pick ups and swaps would be an enormous can of worms. If your "friends" are senior enough you could bid NYC and never fly a trip out of NYC. Just live in ATL and pick up all the ATL trips. Or SEA or SLC or any base you like.
If it were up to me, there would be ALV caps for all swaps, on the swap board and ICrew.
09-06-2014, 11:44 PM
#1609
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,599
09-07-2014, 03:56 AM
#1610
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,431
I don't like the idea of out of base swaps, but I would be a big proponent of out of base pickups, and like the earlier example, only after the in base guys have had some time of exclusive access to it.
As it is I have had several instances where I tried to get rid of a trip via personal drop in DBMS and the swapboard and no one took it. Giving me another option to get rid of that trip would be a good going.
As it is I have had several instances where I tried to get rid of a trip via personal drop in DBMS and the swapboard and no one took it. Giving me another option to get rid of that trip would be a good going.
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