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09-04-2014, 12:18 PM
#1481
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
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If that happened, DALPA would hold back the stock, hire someone to try to sell the stock as a block, wait for the price to go to a historic low before releasing the stock.... Nah, that would never happen.
Let's just stay away from stock. Put it in my paycheck every month, month in, month out. Let Dick and Eddie play that game.
(I thought the B/S was a pretty good descriptor, too
)
Let's just stay away from stock. Put it in my paycheck every month, month in, month out. Let Dick and Eddie play that game.
(I thought the B/S was a pretty good descriptor, too
)
09-04-2014, 12:31 PM
#1482
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,235
Rate 1 thru 6 which you desire most:
- A solid kick square in the nuts
- A sucker punch to the gut
- A little league ball player taking a bat to your back
- A 90 mph slapshot in the teeth
- A good *****-slap across the face
- Being a prison ***** for a month
Result:
Our contract survey showed 63% of you preferred to be *****-slapped! Lets be sure to get that in C2015.
- A solid kick square in the nuts
- A sucker punch to the gut
- A little league ball player taking a bat to your back
- A 90 mph slapshot in the teeth
- A good *****-slap across the face
- Being a prison ***** for a month
Result:
Our contract survey showed 63% of you preferred to be *****-slapped! Lets be sure to get that in C2015.
09-04-2014, 12:55 PM
#1483
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 2,039
Rate 1 thru 6 which you desire most:
- A solid kick square in the nuts
- A sucker punch to the gut
- A little league ball player taking a bat to your back
- A 90 mph slapshot in the teeth
- A good *****-slap across the face
- Being a prison ***** for a month
Result:
Our contract survey showed 63% of you preferred to be *****-slapped! Lets be sure to get that in C2015.
- A solid kick square in the nuts
- A sucker punch to the gut
- A little league ball player taking a bat to your back
- A 90 mph slapshot in the teeth
- A good *****-slap across the face
- Being a prison ***** for a month
Result:
Our contract survey showed 63% of you preferred to be *****-slapped! Lets be sure to get that in C2015.
TEN
09-04-2014, 12:59 PM
#1484
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,503
ALPA's definitely not the best choice, but the fact is...it's currently our only choice. My goal (probably futile) is to make them better by fighting the complete control of information being attempted by the Moak disciples. Get as much factual information out there as possible, then let Delta pilots decide.
Carl
Carl
When I got this account years ago, it was in a fit of disbelief of how many were here buying the carefully orchestrated talking points designed to effectively manage our expectations.
Thus, I chose the screen name TheManager as I contemplated how I would not sit back and allow a blatantly emotionalized propaganda campaign to run unchecked by "reManaging" those expectations.
Again, ALPA is the only choice. DPA died when TC couldn't let go at the critical mass and step back to allow proper adult supervision.
Regardless, concerning ALPA: Time to change the message and influence the structure. Resist the bull turd managing of expectations and use the voting process to R&R reps and most importantly change the policy manual to truly make bottom up changes.
Web boards, email, text, twitter, and FB are powerful organizing and communications tools. Remember a little something called Arab Spring? Just look how quickly they choked on the CDOs they tried to slip past the pilots.
And I do mean slip past. The fine gentleman who was working as one of the architects within the group that was putting them together, FOR MONTHS! told us that they were sworn to secrecy and not allowed to discuss what they where doing for LOA 117 regarding CDOs.
He was aghast when we explained why we were against them as this had been his baby we deemed ugly. Got him to admit that they had a giant optics problem with them and a down right shameful lack of communications, that had they been forthright with, might have seen them adopted.
I think he went a little to far right after that when he alluded that CDO 2.0 is currently being developed.
Wasn't really shocked. Are any of you? Just ask yourself who benefits the most from them
. Just swallow. They are good for you!
Last edited by TheManager; 09-04-2014 at 01:12 PM.
09-04-2014, 01:01 PM
#1485
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 2,039
ALPA's definitely not the best choice, but the fact is...it's currently our only choice. My goal (probably futile) is to make them better by fighting the complete control of information being attempted by the Moak disciples. Get as much factual information out there as possible, then let Delta pilots decide.
Carl
Carl
As far as an alternative organization, I am here to tell you, if humans are involved ; ego, politics and greed will come into play. This is the nature of most humans. To be looked up at. To seek approval. To have power. It is built in our genes. Survival of the fittest. Most people think: what is good for them, is good for everybody..Cough Cough Pelosi and Franke
Trust me, a new organization will be the answer to all our problems: maybe for a year or two. Then the "same" people will take control and create the CLUB.
We need guys like you to shake things up.. Carl is the Icahn of Dalpa!
Respectfully,
TEN
09-04-2014, 01:04 PM
#1486
Straight QOL, homie
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
Posts: 4,202
It's simply amazing how much DALPA's carefully crafted survey wording and format will lead us right where they want us to be: Concessions. With the company making record profits.
I sure hope we don't allow ourselves to get steamrolled by the company/DALPA tagteam again on C15.
I sure hope we don't allow ourselves to get steamrolled by the company/DALPA tagteam again on C15.
09-04-2014, 01:04 PM
#1487
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Posts: 12,487
Carl
09-04-2014, 01:12 PM
#1488
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1. Should C2015 include CDO's? YES. NO.
And it makes the survey shorter.
Carl
09-04-2014, 01:15 PM
#1489
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I don't like to gratuitously criticize the work of others, but in this case I have to agree with you. I felt that I was being taken for a moron.
One of the questions that always has everyone foaming at the mouth is % pay increases. While there is a good question at the very end asking what our total cost increase should be, the questions on pay increases only address the initial increase, and only in the context of TVM.
It seems to me we used to be asked what we wanted to see throughout the contract. I understand that the timing of the initial increase matters, but then again, it's not just the initial increase that tells the story.
For example, I think 12% is a good initial number, but only if it's something like 12/8/8/7 AND the other sections are strengthened substantially. 12/5/5/5, not good enough. 12/0/0/0... DOA.
So even on this most basic of points of gauging pay expectations, the survey fails.
One of the questions that always has everyone foaming at the mouth is % pay increases. While there is a good question at the very end asking what our total cost increase should be, the questions on pay increases only address the initial increase, and only in the context of TVM.
It seems to me we used to be asked what we wanted to see throughout the contract. I understand that the timing of the initial increase matters, but then again, it's not just the initial increase that tells the story.
For example, I think 12% is a good initial number, but only if it's something like 12/8/8/7 AND the other sections are strengthened substantially. 12/5/5/5, not good enough. 12/0/0/0... DOA.
So even on this most basic of points of gauging pay expectations, the survey fails.
Carl
09-04-2014, 01:19 PM
#1490
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Sometimes this place feels like living in an alternate universe.
Carl
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