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09-04-2014, 04:34 AM
#1401
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I do not believe that increasing max reserves costs jobs. To the extent that such an increase causes reserve pilots on an aircraft to work on average even one more minute than they did before, the staffing formula immediately begins to require more pilots on that aircraft.
But I agree with the rest of your statement. Moving days in the summer bid months and going to an 84-hour ALV did cost 100 or so jobs (assuming no change in block hours), according to the roadshow materials, by distributing the work among that many fewer pilots. The flip side then is that you have less overstaffing in the winter months, which means two things:
But I agree with the rest of your statement. Moving days in the summer bid months and going to an 84-hour ALV did cost 100 or so jobs (assuming no change in block hours), according to the roadshow materials, by distributing the work among that many fewer pilots. The flip side then is that you have less overstaffing in the winter months, which means two things:
- Fewer pilots are forced to reserve during those months (good for QOL)
- Reserve pilots work more during those months (not so good for QOL)
09-04-2014, 04:38 AM
#1402
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The 5.15 is huge.
The 5.15 was supposed to come with CDOs as an offset, the fact that got dropped was huge. The fact it was put forward... is indicative of "what are you going to give up to get that?"
WAYGTGUTGT... how about shorter, just GUT.
The 5.15 was supposed to come with CDOs as an offset, the fact that got dropped was huge. The fact it was put forward... is indicative of "what are you going to give up to get that?"
WAYGTGUTGT... how about shorter, just GUT.
09-04-2014, 04:43 AM
#1403
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The CDO's were something put forth by the union. The company especially with the restrictions we set up was not all that enamored with them. I was told that the 5:15 was costed out at 40 million. The CDO's at about 2 million.
09-04-2014, 05:12 AM
#1404
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The big reason the company gave us the 5:15 was to solve the FAR 117 reserve long call issues.
They knew the infamous "Dickson memo" was a bluff and more and more guys were eventually going to call that bluff.
09-04-2014, 05:37 AM
#1405
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I'm keeping up just fine, thank you. Alfa was touting how great we did in C2012. I just put his beloved data into perspective.
09-04-2014, 05:46 AM
#1406
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Your also leaving out the early raise of 4%. As of the amendable date the actual raise including the profit sharing reduction was about 10.8% for lineholders on most equipment. There was a additional raise for the 88's and reserves saw another 8 Percent raise. In addition the average pilot saw 10 to 12 hours more vacation and training pay for about 1 percent more in W2. Raise at signing was a minimum of 11.8 at the bottom to 20.8 for a mad dog reserve at the high end assuming the airline made at least 2.5 billion in pre tax profit. That includes the reduction in profit sharing.
09-04-2014, 05:48 AM
#1407
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Apparently, you're not. He was simply countering Carl's incessant cost-neutral argument. There was nothing in his post stating that the overall deal was good or bad, simply that it increased pilot costs to Delta.
09-04-2014, 05:49 AM
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09-04-2014, 05:51 AM
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09-04-2014, 05:56 AM
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If RES increased by 1 minute on average that does not mean the staffing formula immediately required more pilots. We were not bumping up against the staffing formula.
So going from 40 to 41 minutes on average is still far from 60 but now it's fewer pilots required not because pilots are now flying to 99 hours but because they're flying entire trips that once could not have been assigned to them.
Now with the threat of guys timing out gone you need far less coverage.
So going from 40 to 41 minutes on average is still far from 60 but now it's fewer pilots required not because pilots are now flying to 99 hours but because they're flying entire trips that once could not have been assigned to them.
Now with the threat of guys timing out gone you need far less coverage.
However, the staffing formula, which is applied each month, considers the total amount of reserve flying in a position. To the extent that reserve pilots were averaging less than 60 hours per month, the staffing formula was requiring incrementally fewer pilots in each succeeding month. if that average increases, the required pilots going forward also increases.
We certainly are bumping up against the staffing formula during the summer on a number of fleets. Look at the Bid Monitor report.
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