Details on Delta TA
#1261
Thanks for helping me understand that our vacation really is as good as FDX and SWA. I can't believe I didn't notice this earlier.
#1262
There is no point in trying to make sense out of what Carl writes. As he gets more and more desperate to have some relevance somewhere, he just pumps up his story. It really is whack a mole; you debunk one story, he creates another. After some period of time he brings back story number one and claims he proved it simply because he said he proved it. There is no logic, there is no data, only propaganda. He is just a slick propagandist with no sense of integrity or ethics, he simply spews out whatever he thinks will aid his cause.
You can try to debunk his stories one by one, but it doesn't matter. For instance in this silly story he claims the NC threatened to resign. What he fails to mention is that if this occurred any MEC member worth a damn would simply say, "see you later" and get a new committee. Are there only four guys in the whole pilot group who can negotiate a contract? He can't even complete a train of thought to a logical conclusion, he just makes his accusation and then hopes some dupe buys it without really thinking it out.
In the end, he has only one idea. He thinks the representatives that were voted by the Delta pilots to the MEC are too weak and too stupid to represent the pilots. They are easily fooled by lame tricks and silly threats into buying into some evil agenda. Then the Delta pilots are too weak and too stupid to represent themselves. He can't accept their membership ratification vote and invents new excuses every week about why they voted for their contract.
Carl's answer is simple. Only he and his webboard friends have the guts and knowledge to make decisions for all of us, and so he needs to circumvent all our democratic processes and just do what he says. The tyranny of the minority. Of course he knows this will never happen, he is too much of a coward to ever actually have to stand up for a decision. He just sits behind his keyboard and barks out his tough guy stance. If he actually had to stand up and make a real decision he would wet his pants.
Therefore, he will continue to spew out his propaganda, day after day, week after week. Don't look for logic or consistency. Only look for a coward making himself look big behind a keyboard. Then you will truly understand his agenda.
You can try to debunk his stories one by one, but it doesn't matter. For instance in this silly story he claims the NC threatened to resign. What he fails to mention is that if this occurred any MEC member worth a damn would simply say, "see you later" and get a new committee. Are there only four guys in the whole pilot group who can negotiate a contract? He can't even complete a train of thought to a logical conclusion, he just makes his accusation and then hopes some dupe buys it without really thinking it out.
In the end, he has only one idea. He thinks the representatives that were voted by the Delta pilots to the MEC are too weak and too stupid to represent the pilots. They are easily fooled by lame tricks and silly threats into buying into some evil agenda. Then the Delta pilots are too weak and too stupid to represent themselves. He can't accept their membership ratification vote and invents new excuses every week about why they voted for their contract.
Carl's answer is simple. Only he and his webboard friends have the guts and knowledge to make decisions for all of us, and so he needs to circumvent all our democratic processes and just do what he says. The tyranny of the minority. Of course he knows this will never happen, he is too much of a coward to ever actually have to stand up for a decision. He just sits behind his keyboard and barks out his tough guy stance. If he actually had to stand up and make a real decision he would wet his pants.
Therefore, he will continue to spew out his propaganda, day after day, week after week. Don't look for logic or consistency. Only look for a coward making himself look big behind a keyboard. Then you will truly understand his agenda.
People voted yes because the sales job caused them to doubt their resolve.
#1263
Spin it however you want Alan, but what happened after C2012 was a house cleaning of the MEC administration after the "process" they followed during C2012. Given the behavior of those individuals, that house cleaning was a proper and necessary use of our reps' power.
Six months after C2012 was ratified, the MEC Chairman lost his bid for re-election. The other officers were re-elected. The new MEC Chairman reappointed, with the MEC's approval, some of those who had been closely involved with C2012 and did not retain others.
Two months later, the NC Chairman and one member were re-elected. The other two were not. Every rep who had voted against the TA, plus a few who had initially opposed it, voted in favor of these two NC members. This includes your reps.
Facts. No spin. Ask your reps about it.
#1264
Nice try, though.
#1265
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
Maybe I am a tremendous failure, all my efforts were for naught. I did my best and worked my butt off. If that is all that goes on my grave stone I can live with that.
#1266
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
I see you have dredged up the same webboard talking points again, so we will try one more time to see if you can make an honest answer to a direct question.
If the 717's were going to come anyway, then why in the hell did management give us $1 billion 6 months early in order to get them?
Let's see if you can come up with some answer with even a shred of logic behind it. You used to say that that mainline wouldn't grow, that it was all a sham, and now that it actually is occurring, we have another bid with almost 400 positions, you have to change the story to "it would have happened anyway." How convenient for you.
#1267
Carl
#1268
Thanks for the great explanation, Raptor. It sounds as though you get a fixed amount of value for each vacation, i.e., 6:00 per day, but your work rules give you a ton of flexibility on where and how to use that, assuming that you are savvy enough to understand and use them to their fullest advantage.
Carl
#1269
What I've gotten out of this conversation, though, is that a FedEx pilot gets exactly 6:00 per vacation day, regardless of how he chooses (or has the seniority) to use it. Through bidding, he can expand his days off well beyond what is typically possible through PBS, but at some point he will have to make up the difference or lose $$$.
#1270
Blah, blah, blah, blah, you are a tough guy and I am weak and stupid. I get it. At least I stepped up and tried my best. In the last 6 years you have gotten 4000+ shares of Delta stock and a 60+% increase in compensation due in some small part to my efforts. What has your contribution been? To cry that it is not enough for you. I get it, you think being a cry baby is a valuable contribution because you can constantly whine about other people never working hard enough for you while you sit back and do nothing except tear things down with your laughable DPA efforts. Profiles in courage.
Maybe I am a tremendous failure, all my efforts were for naught. I did my best and worked my butt off. If that is all that goes on my grave stone I can live with that.
Maybe I am a tremendous failure, all my efforts were for naught. I did my best and worked my butt off. If that is all that goes on my grave stone I can live with that.
Thanks for all the work you've done for the pilot group. It would be great if the whiners on this board would step up to the plate, and do the same, rather than whine about those that are doing the work.
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