gloopy

Yeah I don't buy that for a second and never will.

Even if that was a legitimate reason, which its not, then once they have the super complex launch codes to make it happen, they could easily apply it retroactively. So worst case the only delay we would ever "need" to take would be a delay for live implementation followed by full back pay.

OR, delay it all, including the parts that benefit the company, until they can write their code.

But instead they get what they want instantly, while we wait for our end of the deal for months, with zero retro pay.

EdGrimley

In summation: International flying is fatiguing. Let's use that to justify additional fatiguing flying. Great argument that keeps being used over and over again.

80ktsClamp

Remember fellas... sailing is among the best at getting some numbers, but the absolute worst at providing any sort of valid analysis of them. Think of him as a computer that can regurgitate things.

He is the memory rat.

sailingfun

Anyone with google can get numbers. You and others don't post them because you can't find any that support many of the crazy things posted here. If you could you would. Still waiting for the furloughs caused by the massive job loss in contract 2012.
I do love that I simply posted the average block hours worked per pilot without adding anything else. The numbers track changes in the contracts quite well and match numbers from years passed.
What is the forum reply? Management bribed the head of the study to post fake numbers! GMAFB

scambo1

Sailing,
In your opinion, is Leroy Holder doing a good, honest, upright job?

Oberon

Only you and DAL 88 Driver are saying "fatigued". I posted the FAA definition of fatigue and no one has even attempted to draw a coherent line between CDOs and fatigue. DAL 88 Driver says CDOs are fatiguing because they force professional pilots to be unprofessional and not sleep during the day but by his own admission he made that up.

Pointing out the WOCL flying we already do isn't justifying CDOs, it's discounting the argument that we shouldn't do CDOs for safety reasons. That isn't the same thing. CDOs are undesirable flying. That's a pretty good reason not to do them. You don't have to be sensational to have a good argument. "CDOs are unsafe" is a bad argument unless you can provide some sort of evidence. There are countless airlines who do CDOs with FOQA and ASAP programs. I've never seen any data that indicates CDOs are unsafe. That data might exist. Find it and post it and I'll agree with you.

FAA definition
Being tired isn't the same as being fatigued. I fly tired all the time and I suspect everyone here does too. Yawning doesn't affect my ability to pilot an airplane.

Dammit! I got sucked back in!

Oberon

I have no idea what you are talking about so I googled "Leroy Holder" and this came up.

Thug jailed after assaulting and intimidating ex-partner
Read

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, Leroy Holder isn't doing a good, honest, upright job.

tsquare

If he's related to Eric, I would say that he is more than likely not. Blood is thicker than water.

DAL 88 Driver

That's a flat out lie. I didn't make anything up. Never said I made anything up. I stated what I have observed over the course of many years with my own two eyes and ears. I also stated what I observed when I flew a few CDO's back in the day. Just about everybody who is familiar and/or has firsthand experience with CDO's knows that most pilots do not sleep during the day and that they plan on getting their sleep during the break between flights at the hotel on the CDO. Just because there's not some study or statistic to support it, doesn't mean it's not a fact.

You can disagree with me all you want. We can debate this ad nauseum. But I will not tolerate you lying about what I have said.

slowplay

It would be good if you'd hold yourself to that standard when posting.