Details on Delta TA
06-30-2015, 07:44 AM
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Atl320B. Before departing on my trip yesterday, I said hello to the Atl FO rep and told him I was disappointed. He seems to have heard that several times and said vote how you gotta vote. Later in the day, leaving A-33 for next flight. Saw a Delta crew--the captain had a bike with his flight gear on it. I loved it and told him so. He stared firmly into my eyes and asked if I'd voted NO yet. Of course I have. I'm an FO. He and the F/O are SLC guys spreading the bad news of TA15 everywhere they go.
06-30-2015, 07:45 AM
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IDK how any pilot who is a FO, and has more than 10 years left could arrive at the conclusion this ta is in their best long term interest.
The only rationale that seems even plausible for such an individual to affirm this ta.....was stated in the 'open letter from a lax pilot'......which is..... "I am afraid of what will happen if we don't pass it....."
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The only rationale that seems even plausible for such an individual to affirm this ta.....was stated in the 'open letter from a lax pilot'......which is..... "I am afraid of what will happen if we don't pass it....."
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06-30-2015, 07:48 AM
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North of 6 bil flowing away from the employees who just got a .55% pay raise to even meet the average of other carriers not even including SWA and FDX? I could win that case in a kangaroo court with an online law degree from Tulsa welding school. The Co would never let it go that far because it would be absolutely embarrassing for them while crushing the stock price along the way.
06-30-2015, 08:59 AM
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The tiny number of pilots in that seniority range that snuck into the plug spots of a new category are an anamoly. Its an extremely senior airplane and even in a junior base, it only went to that level because no one wanted to be the plug (or even plug +1 or 2) in the first few months after it opened. That is about to change big time. There may or may not be one more AE where they go to anywhere near that level of juniority, but 2014 hires will in no way continue to be "able to hold 330B" for years after the dust settles on this little one off.
Bid what you want and if you get it, great! But I wouldn't be using that extremely rare and short lived one off as a baseline for planning anything in your life for years at least. Those few pilots are an extremely small anomaly.
Also keep in mind that there are always pilots returning from med/mil leave and other internal landlubber gigs that can pounce on anything they can "hold" as well. The company can't be liking the 330B being that unior, as it instantly raises a lot of people's salary by quite a bit just because 2 or 3 guys are sitting in that seat. Its likely that as soon as the seniority settles in that category they will easily displace 2 or 3 pilots instead of paying every instructor/FOM/etc 330 pay instead of ER pay. 3 displacements will be WAY cheaper than a significant raise for a lot of pilots. All they need is 2 or 3 pilots coming off leave to pick it, or perhaps a couple pilots from the 74 and/or rumored CVG displacements to pick it and boom, 2014 can't "hold' it anymore, and the current plugs in it would be bounced as well.
Again, more power to anyone in any seat they want and can get on any given AE! But I wouldn't plan anything on that example.
Bid what you want and if you get it, great! But I wouldn't be using that extremely rare and short lived one off as a baseline for planning anything in your life for years at least. Those few pilots are an extremely small anomaly.
Also keep in mind that there are always pilots returning from med/mil leave and other internal landlubber gigs that can pounce on anything they can "hold" as well. The company can't be liking the 330B being that unior, as it instantly raises a lot of people's salary by quite a bit just because 2 or 3 guys are sitting in that seat. Its likely that as soon as the seniority settles in that category they will easily displace 2 or 3 pilots instead of paying every instructor/FOM/etc 330 pay instead of ER pay. 3 displacements will be WAY cheaper than a significant raise for a lot of pilots. All they need is 2 or 3 pilots coming off leave to pick it, or perhaps a couple pilots from the 74 and/or rumored CVG displacements to pick it and boom, 2014 can't "hold' it anymore, and the current plugs in it would be bounced as well.
Again, more power to anyone in any seat they want and can get on any given AE! But I wouldn't plan anything on that example.
06-30-2015, 10:09 AM
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Atl320B. Before departing on my trip yesterday, I said hello to the Atl FO rep and told him I was disappointed. He seems to have heard that several times and said vote how you gotta vote. Later in the day, leaving A-33 for next flight. Saw a Delta crew--the captain had a bike with his flight gear on it. I loved it and told him so. He stared firmly into my eyes and asked if I'd voted NO yet. Of course I have. I'm an FO. He and the F/O are SLC guys spreading the bad news of TA15 everywhere they go.
How would you have taken it if he said "have you voted yes yet?"
06-30-2015, 10:15 AM
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Just had to correct you. 8/0/3/3. The 6 is profit sharing conversion. You now have more money in your left pocket but it came from your right pocket. So that means no raises on 1/1/2016. Or if you prefer no additional compensation on 1/1/2016.
06-30-2015, 10:47 AM
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06-30-2015, 11:14 AM
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So throw us in the Briar Patch and start the NMB clock. We'll be ready and unified in 3-5 years with strike funds built up if that's how long they want to stiff us for. I don't think it will get to that though.
They offered 1.1B in extra value. I say gift them 100 Million back. Shareholder return, executive compensation, buy them some airplanes or donate it to charity, and only take 1.0B and put it all into pay. If its properly costed, that's a huge and very reasonable compromise that will be very, very hard to argue with.
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