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10-27-2016, 12:34 PM
#7945
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Up front
Posts: 963
Traded new hire seat lock extension for short course seat lock reduction. Personally I think that was poor form and similar to pulling the ladder up. If they would/could/should have thrown in hotels for the new hires that would've been a definitive win right now it's a loss to me.
But what do I know.
But what do I know.
10-27-2016, 12:51 PM
#7946
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
Traded new hire seat lock extension for short course seat lock reduction. Personally I think that was poor form and similar to pulling the ladder up. If they would/could/should have thrown in hotels for the new hires that would've been a definitive win right now it's a loss to me.
But what do I know.
But what do I know.
I'm 100% in favor of what you suggest and IMO we could have got that without spending one penny of negotiating capital, because the company desperately needed the freeze relief. We missed the opportunity because we just didn't care. Oh well. At this point its up to market forces to make the company provide industry standard in this area.
FWIW we "traded" the additional year's freeze for not only the short course reduction, but also got the one year mark "escape valve" to slightly mitigate the negative effects of a freeze. So you can still bail after a year if you need to in order to change bases.
In the cases where you just want off the plane, but to remain in your current base, you can still bail to another base, assuming you can hold what is required there etc, and then bounce back in the following bid, again assuming you can hold that as well.
Its a concession, albeit a minor one. IMO hotels for all training should be standard here as it is most other places. I'd also like to see the asinine "training pay" go away and be replaced with a system like UAL has.
Maybe we'll get em next time.
10-27-2016, 01:21 PM
#7947
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Up front
Posts: 963
Brace yourself for incoming "STHU new guy pay your dues!!"
I'm 100% in favor of what you suggest and IMO we could have got that without spending one penny of negotiating capital, because the company desperately needed the freeze relief. We missed the opportunity because we just didn't care. Oh well. At this point its up to market forces to make the company provide industry standard in this area.
FWIW we "traded" the additional year's freeze for not only the short course reduction, but also got the one year mark "escape valve" to slightly mitigate the negative effects of a freeze. So you can still bail after a year if you need to in order to change bases.
In the cases where you just want off the plane, but to remain in your current base, you can still bail to another base, assuming you can hold what is required there etc, and then bounce back in the following bid, again assuming you can hold that as well.
Its a concession, albeit a minor one. IMO hotels for all training should be standard here as it is most other places. I'd also like to see the asinine "training pay" go away and be replaced with a system like UAL has.
Maybe we'll get em next time.
I'm 100% in favor of what you suggest and IMO we could have got that without spending one penny of negotiating capital, because the company desperately needed the freeze relief. We missed the opportunity because we just didn't care. Oh well. At this point its up to market forces to make the company provide industry standard in this area.
FWIW we "traded" the additional year's freeze for not only the short course reduction, but also got the one year mark "escape valve" to slightly mitigate the negative effects of a freeze. So you can still bail after a year if you need to in order to change bases.
In the cases where you just want off the plane, but to remain in your current base, you can still bail to another base, assuming you can hold what is required there etc, and then bounce back in the following bid, again assuming you can hold that as well.
Its a concession, albeit a minor one. IMO hotels for all training should be standard here as it is most other places. I'd also like to see the asinine "training pay" go away and be replaced with a system like UAL has.
Maybe we'll get em next time.
But for the record I'm paying my 1.9% dues
10-27-2016, 02:00 PM
#7948
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: DAL A320 CA
Posts: 559
I think hotels, uniforms and other high costs for new hires will have to be addressed as the applicant pool dries up.
Oh..and STHU newbie!
CG
10-27-2016, 03:06 PM
#7949
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
Traded new hire seat lock extension for short course seat lock reduction. Personally I think that was poor form and similar to pulling the ladder up. If they would/could/should have thrown in hotels for the new hires that would've been a definitive win right now it's a loss to me.
But what do I know.
But what do I know.
Denny
10-27-2016, 04:25 PM
#7950
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Up front
Posts: 963
What is the normal seat lock on an AE? Answer: 2 years. Yes new hires now have a 2 year seat lock with an exception that will allow them to get into the base they choose by bidding another aircraft if they cannot hold it in their current category or their current category is not at that base. I'd hardly consider that pulling up the ladder.
Denny
Denny
Fair point. I'm just saying that extending their seat lock to shorten ours in limited cases isn't really helping them out.
I probably shouldn't have said pulling the ladder up it's more like shaking it while they are trying to get on.
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