Redbird611

Thanks ALPA? You do know that there are many pilots at other Delta Connection carriers that would be thrilled to have the SSP interview opportunity. How exactly has ALPA wronged you here?

Xray678

I agree. Don't want to wait...apply outside the SSP. Or better yet, go to UAL, AA, FDX or UPS. Why wait if you can get in earlier somewhere else??

WhiskeyDelta

Why are you assuming he has or will get interviews at those shops? Despite the best efforts of some, the reality is that not every airline is knocking down on the doors of every pilot in the country. You make it sound as if he just pick up a phone and get an interview at which airline is on the other end of the phone. We'll get there one day soon but we're not there yet.

Sturbmaster

I applied the very first day I was eligible and interviewed at the earliest date I could.

Why blame ALPA first I do not blame Delta ALPA my gripe is with EDV ALPA. They consistently made statements that FO's would not have any success during the interview thus they would not entertain the opertounity to negotiate an amended agreement allowing FO's to interview. Shockingly enough the FO's have blown the Captains out of the water CJO wise. When they finally did they came out and picked a vacancy and if you were a Captain on that vacancy then you fell into the Captain pool. Those in this pool of pilots would go ahead of all FO's that received a CJO until the point where the Captain CJO list was exhausted. To this day there are still Captains doing their first and SECOND interviews that will jump ahead of all the FO's who have had a CJO for over a year.

I had my app in for an off the street interview since 2008 with multiple internal LOR's and had my stuff sent in via the internal recommendation. It was not for lack of effort I did not get called off the street. Like I said I took the first opportunity I had to interview.

Don't take what I said the wrong way I am extremely happy that I have a CJO in my hand and I cannot wait to move over to Delta. However it is a real shot in the nuts from ALPA letting Captains that have been lazy or did not pass their first interview to leap frog all the FO's that have been busting their hump for 8+ years, put in the effort and were successful in the interview.

Seniority is everything in this business and the FO SSP CJO holders are losing more and more every week.

404yxl

You need to think of this through seniority, because you are not right now. Those pilots are senior to you. Period. You are lucky you don't have a real flow, because you would be waiting even longer. The Endeavor ALPA gave you a gift by making it a SSP, thus allowing senior pilots to you to fail the interview and you leap frogging them.

Take a step back, this would be like the Compass flows of late 2015 complaining that they had to wait for some of the senior pilots to them to leave and how they should go first.

All the Endeavor SSP is, is a list of Endeavor pilots flowing to Delta after they pass their interview. In Seniority Order.

MikeF16

That must be it, thanks for the clarification.

swamp

Not quite..
The SSP is structured in essentially two categories: Captain pool and First Officer pool.
The Captains will always move to Delta before any first officer. Right now I believe the CA pool is dried up, yet there are approx 200 first officers in the FO pool, with the #1 FO in that pool having interviewed in January of 2015. So any EDV CA interviewing now would have a very good chance of moving to Delta next month.
Where your wrong with the seniority is, pilots are placed in seniority order on the overall appropriate list (CA/FO) in seniority order for the month in which the interview. So if an FO with a 1000 seniority # interviews in May, and an FO with a 999 seniority # interviews in June, the 1000 would go ahead of 999, because 1000 interviewed a month before 999 did. Had they both interviewed in the same month, 999 would go before 1000. Same goes with Captains. There are a ton of ex EDV CA that are below me on the Delta seniority that were way senior to me at EDV, I just chose to interview as quick as I could. Others chose to wait, or didn't make it their first time and had to wait the required time to reinterview and were successful the second time. So again, It's not seniority in the true sense.
Difference between the compass flows, at compass, those pilots knew exactly who was flowing and their number on the overall list didn't change, and it was a much more accurate gauge of measuring when one might move to Delta. The FOs really have no idea, it's strictly based on how many captains at EDV keep receiving CJOs. When the very first FO received her CJO back in Jan 15 she was looking at approx a 13-14 month wait with the list of CA waiting to move at that time. It's now been 18 months, still not at Delta. . Plus the hold back seniority numbers compass had, that SSP guys do not have.
I completely understand Sturbmaster and most others frustration with the lazy EDV CAs interviewing now for the first time, when they had literally YEARS to get it done. Fortunately the interview team at Delta knows this and it doesn't bode well for them.

SluggoC17

This is why as more and more of these guys and gals come off probation, it's going to be harder to get a concession laden TA passed.

ColdUpHere

The seniority / timing thing isn't an issue exclusive to guys & gals waiting to get released by their regionals. Folks coming from the military often have to wait several months (hundreds of seniority numbers) from when they were offered an Indoc date to when they can actually attend one based on their service commitments. In these cases, these people are finishing their commitment to their country...not to another airline. So RJ folks looking to come to a major aren't the only ones with timing challenges.

In addition, the seniority date vs. class date has worked out very well for some former RJ pilots. I had one flying his observation rotation with me 2 years ago. He was delighted to find out that he got his CJO after me and completed Indoc and training after me but was still several hundred spots senior to me.

TED74

Apples to violins comparison. Especially for a military member who stays to become retirement eligible, he or she will walk away from the military with a pension that could easily be worth between $2M and $5M over a lifetime. That's certainly worth bypassing a couple hundred seniority numbers. I appreciate finishing the commitment to their country, but they're also finishing their commitment to a retirement that pays handsomely for 4 decades.

Military members who aren't immediately retirement eligible but will get a reserve retirement are still accruing retirement credit in the military, not to mention a paycheck and benefits that likely exceed regional F/O numbers by a lot.