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Old 02-18-2016, 08:41 AM
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Thanks for the quick replies.
Follow up, I should be a little more specific, do any of the NYC 88s or 717s layover in DEN or COS?
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Old 02-18-2016, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
Got a low ssn, so I'll probably end up with one of the last picks, and in all probability the 717 or 88.
Just wanted to confirm, there's no glass in the 88 and no plans to upgrade it correct? Also, either of the 2 overnight in COS or DEN?
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Boeing builds airplanes, McDonnell Douglas builds character. 717 is much more automated and will be around longer. Either way with the retirements and movement you won't be on either long, unless you want to.
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Old 02-18-2016, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
Thanks for the quick replies.

Follow up, I should be a little more specific, do any of the NYC 88s or 717s layover in DEN or COS?

There are -88 layovers in DEN, but the trips change too much to depend on anything staying the same. As an example, EWR pairings are minimal in March on the -88 and will probably be gone by May if not April. They'll come back around September (probably).

Originally Posted by Kjazz130
Boeing builds airplanes, McDonnell Douglas builds character. 717 is much more automated and will be around longer. Either way with the retirements and movement you won't be on either long, unless you want to.

The "717" is just an MD-95. There's nothing Boeing about it. The cockpit is the ACF from the MD-11. If you pick it over the -88, you'll have better ergonomics, better packs and worse trips.


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Old 02-18-2016, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
There are -88 layovers in DEN, but the trips change too much to depend on anything staying the same. As an example, EWR pairings are minimal in March on the -88 and will probably be gone by May if not April. They'll come back around September (probably).




The "717" is just an MD-95. There's nothing Boeing about it. The cockpit is the ACF from the MD-11. If you pick it over the -88, you'll have better ergonomics, better packs and worse trips.


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Why are they "worse" trips on the 717 Gucci?
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Old 02-18-2016, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Omar 111
Md-88's/90's are glass cockpits, just very old design. Displays are small and not very user friendly. Upgrade plan was scrapped due to inability of contractor to fulfill his obligations. 717 cockpit basically an MD-11 setup. Big screens and excellent information presentation.

Both airplanes have DEN layovers. Probably the biggest consideration is if you want to be based on the west coast-717 category in LAX is the only option.

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Don't know about NYC 88, but ATL 88 used to have only ONE redeye in the whole bid package..... DEN to ATL. PAINFUL.
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Old 02-18-2016, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
Why are they "worse" trips on the 717 Gucci?
The 717 just doesn't have the variety that the other fleets do. Mostly all short flights, but you will get senior in the 717 very fast. I would take the 717 over the 88.
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Old 02-18-2016, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Don't know about NYC 88, but ATL 88 used to have only ONE redeye in the whole bid package..... DEN to ATL. PAINFUL.
You say painful which I would agree and is the reason I don't fly redeyes but wouldn't DEN-ATL at least be a lot easier than, say, SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX to ATL?
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Old 02-18-2016, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by phoenixc130
Your retirement orders as proof that you are retiring from the military.
Do they ask for retirement orders if they already have a copy of your DD Form 214 from the interview docs you give them? (the 214 is the official form that says "this guy served in the military")
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Old 02-18-2016, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Twister
Do they ask for retirement orders if they already have a copy of your DD Form 214 from the interview docs you give them? (the 214 is the official form that says "this guy served in the military")
I didn't have the DD-214 at the interview. So I don't know how it compares with orders or no orders. They asked for my retirement orders when I accepted 14 March training with the deferment to the 4 April class. My terminal leave wouldn't work for 14 March.
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Old 02-18-2016, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
Thanks for the quick replies.
Follow up, I should be a little more specific, do any of the NYC 88s or 717s layover in DEN or COS?
COS is usually a 320. At certain times of year its a 73N. Stuff changes so who knows, maybe the dog or 717 will get it. But I wouldnt count on it.

I have gotten several DEN layovers on the 88. It was nice but I always got 0600ish departures, which made seeing fam in COS somewhat impractical.

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