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Old 01-02-2016, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MTSUFlyer
For those that have been through indoc, I'm curious how profit sharing is calculated.

Looking at quarterly reports, it looks like Delta made around $3.6 billion in pre-tax income for 2015. Based off the current TA, $470 mil should be the PS for all employees. For a first year pilot making $70K in 2015, how would you calculate their profit share?

I can't answer how the percentage is calculated, however, an email a few days ago from the company said it would above 21%.

So, add these paycheck lines together. FLT ADV, FLT PAY, and REGULAR. That represents what the final PS percentage is multiplied against to get your base payout.

Take out 25% Fed withholding, your state taxes, 7.65% FICA taxes, ALPA's 1.85%, and DPMA dues. Add in deductions for 401k and HSA contributions and you'll get a good picture of what you'll take home.


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Old 01-02-2016, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sputnik
I don't think that's covered in indoc. It works out to a percentage of your income. Last year as 16.4%. This year consensus WAG seems to be around 20%

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I can't answer how the percentage is calculated, however, an email a few days ago from the company said it would above 21%.

So, add these paycheck lines together. FLT ADV, FLT PAY, and REGULAR. That represents what the final PS percentage is multiplied against to get your base payout.

Take out 25% Fed withholding, your state taxes, 7.65% FICA taxes, ALPA's 1.85%, and DPMA dues. Add in deductions for 401k and HSA contributions and you'll get a good picture of what you'll take home.


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Thanks for the info. If anyone knows how the percentage is calculated from pre-tax income, let me know. I know it involves 10% of profit up to $2.5 bil then 20% of any profit over $2.5 bil. I think all that goes back to the employees, but not sure how that works out to the actual percentages above.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MTSUFlyer
Thanks for the info. If anyone knows how the percentage is calculated from pre-tax income, let me know. I know it involves 10% of profit up to $2.5 bil then 20% of any profit over $2.5 bil. I think all that goes back to the employees, but not sure how that works out to the actual percentages above.
The percentage is simply a function of how much is set aside divided by total employee wages. If all employees at Delta made 10 billion (eligible earnings) and they set aside 1 billion using your above formula profit sharing would work out to be 10 percent. Essentially, they set aside the amount based on PTIX ( a contractual definition) and then everyone gets a pro rata share.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MTSUFlyer
Thanks for the info. If anyone knows how the percentage is calculated from pre-tax income, let me know. I know it involves 10% of profit up to $2.5 bil then 20% of any profit over $2.5 bil. I think all that goes back to the employees, but not sure how that works out to the actual percentages above.

You don't trust ALPA to figure it out for you?!

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Old 01-02-2016, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
I can't answer how the percentage is calculated, however, an email a few days ago from the company said it would above 21%.

So, add these paycheck lines together. FLT ADV, FLT PAY, and REGULAR. That represents what the final PS percentage is multiplied against to get your base payout.

Take out 25% Fed withholding, your state taxes, 7.65% FICA taxes, ALPA's 1.85%, and DPMA dues. Add in deductions for 401k and HSA contributions and you'll get a good picture of what you'll take home.


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Close, but no. You add FLT PAY and FLT ADV only.
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Old 01-02-2016, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MTSUFlyer
Thanks for the info. If anyone knows how the percentage is calculated from pre-tax income, let me know. I know it involves 10% of profit up to $2.5 bil then 20% of any profit over $2.5 bil. I think all that goes back to the employees, but not sure how that works out to the actual percentages above.
You want the actual formula? It in the PWA. Section 3.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:01 PM
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Close, but no. You add FLT PAY and FLT ADV only.

Regular is for those in initial training, i.e. New hires. It is, in fact, included in the calculation. I started 12/9/14. Was on the training pay well into Feb 2015. My entire class got profit sharing checks based on the REGULAR line item for the last 22 days in 2014.


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Old 01-03-2016, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
You want the actual formula? It in the PWA. Section 3.

Got it, thanks!
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Old 01-03-2016, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
Regular is for those in initial training, i.e. New hires. It is, in fact, included in the calculation. I started 12/9/14. Was on the training pay well into Feb 2015. My entire class got profit sharing checks based on the REGULAR line item for the last 22 days in 2014.


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Well, that explains it! Thanks! Learn something new every day. It's been a loooong time since I saw new hire pay on a stub. Didn't even know that line existed!
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Congrats to those who started today. Please post the drop, when able.

and please post the total in class, because there seems to be a slight doubt on the number because of the email offer v phone offer.
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