Originally Posted by sailingfun

None of the manning issues has anything to do with the TA. Just like the last TA the company is not planning any manning change from the TA. We lost in some areas on manning and gained in others. Delta has almost every year in a hiring cycle slowed the hiring in the summer months to maximize pilots flying the line. This year was worse because of marketing adding summer flying last Dec. The company did a emergency bump in the hiring last winter to keep the 757 staffed for the new hours. The net hiring plan for all of 16 has not changed one pilot. We will be overstaffed for the winter on many airframes with the huge reduction in winter block hours. The 757/767 fleet will drop 30%.
The great unknown at the moment is the fate of the 190's and additional 737's. The 190's would have required an additional 600 plus pilots for 50 airframes with hiring for those airframes to start late fall. Perhaps we will know tomorrow at the earnings call the plan for those airframes.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The drop in summer hiring is normal and will probably happen again next summer.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Who cares about the 190s and the 737's would be years out and 757 replacements anyways.

Cut the crap, Mr. Bad Data.

Originally Posted by Flying Elvis

With 100 new hires and 50 swaps/upgrades a month, conservatively that's about 7,500 hours of OE a month. The TA allowed the company to hold back 75% of those from bidding from the FOs, and though the staffing model wouldn't have changed, this would allow a slowdown in hiring to achieve that staffing model and still fill lines (we're way behind the staffing model already). With a bit of LCA re-allocation to take full advantage of the 75% holdback, that's 5,625 fewer hours to cover, which means 85 fewer pilots (assuming 20% reserves).

TA added one hour to the Average Line Value (number of hours a lineholder flew in a month). Figuring 8000 lineholders, that's 80,000 hours more flown, requiring roughly 120 fewer pilots.

Other efficiencies were expected from sick leave and scope concessions. I don't know what those were, but you can bet there was a good estimate and that they were significant, or DAL wouldn't have negotiated them. For Ha-Has, let's say that was worth only 10 pilots. I think it was worth a lot more.

Other brilliance in there as well. Big raise up front, but nothing towards retirement (until a whopping 1% increase in 401k in 2017). Incentive for older pilots to hang till 65. Fewer retirements = fewer new hires needed. There are about 1900 pilots currently 59-64 years old. Let's say just over 10% of them (200) are considering retiring early this year. Do ya think an immediate 8% raise, but then essentially flatline after that, might convince them to hang for another year or two, but not too long? If it works for 20% of them, that's another 40 pilots we don't need to hire this year.

Oh, and fewer pilots means even more efficiencies, because that means I can send some of my SLIs back to the line (which many SLIs had been told to expect).

Added all together, my admittedly-soggy spitball says we would have needed to hire about 250 fewer pilots in the immediate future. I think the company was hoping for even better results.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

I guess all the thousands of posts about wanting to take back the DCI flying were all BS. Glad you don't care about the 190's and want to pull the ladder up behind you. I bet pilots in the pool or trying to get hired care. The bottom of the seniority list also might care a bit about adding 300 plus new CA's positions.
There are about 40 more 757's to be parked. We have enough 737's on order now to cover every parked 757 airframe and sill grow without the new order for 40 more airframes. The 40 extra are pure growth unless Delta decides to retire other airframes ahead of their current planned schedule. In the last 3 years Delta has retired airframes slower then scheduled.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

You omit a key point. Rotations could only be withheld for pilots training in base.

Originally Posted by GivemeVSP

Dude, Dude, Dude...you are soo wrong!!!

As someone in the bottom 85% of the list, I really want to see the E190 here. I think your missing the point that the CONCESSIONS were NOT acceptable and having 30+ years to go the damage would take decades to undo.

I voted NO, and proud to say 100% of my NH class voted NO. Overall, the 2014 guys brought the NOs strong, and will again if Concessions for pay raises show up again!!!!!

As more guys get off Probation, there will be many more NOs to counter with these kind of contract offers.

Originally Posted by Flying Elvis

I did not omit that. I said that they would need to re-allocate LCAs to take full advantage of the concession. If you think the company wsn't planning to do so, I believe you underestimate their intelligence.

Investors: "So, you've got an opportunity to save millions of dollars just by some minor staffing changes, and you didn't? Can you explain why?"

Originally Posted by badgerned

Greetings,
here is the latest and greatest. I keep waiting for a recall vote for "spreadsheet updater."

Does anyone have info on the 7/20 class. I had thought that it was 16 SSP (Endeavor) and 14 OTS, but I don't have any numbers or data from any interviewee class getting that date.

Anyway, updated numbers on Compass and Endeavor for the remainder of the year. If my memories serves, there were two big class surges in 2014 one in June/July and a second in Aug/Sep where they were putting through 125 in class (Sep). So who knows what will happen this year.

badger



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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt

Why don't you have any SSP guys in the aug 17 class on your latest update? I was just given the aug 17 class as an SSP CJO holder