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Old 01-22-2015, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by overthehill
What constitutes a "new category"?
When DL puts a new aircraft category in either an established base or opens an entirely new domicile. When we opened the 73N category in SEA on the last AE, it was "new" because previously we only had a A330 and 7ER in SEA, and therefore it was available for anyone to bid. Same thing for NYC 330..even though we have a big base in NYC including the 717, M88, A320, 73N and 7ER...network decided that we need a "new" A330 category in NYC to fly the new 242-ton A330's coming this year.

Just to add to the rumor mill, did anyone else catch that reference in the latest Flt Ops Weekly Update about how marketing is looking at west coast 717 flying and "we will explore our options of 717 West Coast categories"? If DL decides to put the 717 in SLC, LAX or SEA, it would also be a "new" category. SLC 717 sounds good to me..who do I call to make it happen?

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Old 01-22-2015, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
When DL puts a new aircraft category in either an established base or opens an entirely new domicile.

When we opened the 73N category in SEA on the last AE, it was "new" because previously we only had a A330 and 7ER in SEA, and therefore it was available for anyone to bid.

Just to add to the rumor mill, did anyone else catch that reference in the latest Flt Ops Weekly Update about how marketing is looking at west coast 717 flying and "we will explore our options of 717 West Coast categories"?

SLC 717 sounds good to me..who do I call to make it happen?
I would love a SLC 717 category, but I doubt that will happen. The only thing that could possibly drive them to putting one in SLC is the lack of gate space in LAX and SEA.

Be nice to see an LAX 777 category and a 717 west coast category in 2015.
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Old 01-22-2015, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
I would love a SLC 717 category, but I doubt that will happen. The only thing that could possibly drive them to putting one in SLC is the lack of gate space in LAX and SEA.

Be nice to see an LAX 777 category and a 717 west coast category in 2015.
Yeah..that's what I heard also. But evidently there's room for an extra bank in SLC, so they may have no choice but to put the 717 out here instead of building rotations out of DTW and NYC. Seems kinda dumb to fly a 717 DTW-MCI-SLC-LAX to get across the Rockies and serve the west coast when we could do it smarter out of SLC. (..but we used to fly ATL-TUL-OKC-SLC in the 727, so what do I know?!)

I hope you're right about LAX777..

And maybe we'll get lucky and all of the B gates in SLC will be filled with 717's instead of RJ's by the end of 2015..

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Old 01-22-2015, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Yeah..that's what I heard also. But evidently there's room for an extra bank in SLC, so they may have no choice but to put the 717 out here instead of building rotations out of DTW.

It'd be nice to have all of the B gates filled with 717's instead of RJ's..
Yes! And all you west-coast-717B-ATL-commuters who are senior to me head out that way and enjoy your new life of not commuting, with my compliments!!

Oh yeah, and the RJs...yeah.
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Old 01-22-2015, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
One year lock on equipment for a new hire (two years for subsequent equipment, unless due to displacement); locks don't apply if bidding into a new category or first-time captain upgrade.

No freeze on base. I don't think it's still true, but last year through about September, many new hires were getting NYC and bidding over to ATL before they even got done with indoc. I think a few even got out west in a similar move (NYC awarded, SLC/LAX before training complete). As I say, though, I haven't seen or heard of that more recently than about September--someone will be along shortly to correct me if I'm wrong!
I know someone in the 10 Nov class who got 7ER - NYC. He was able to bid 7ER - ATL five days later. Will be converted to ATL before he is done with training.
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Old 01-23-2015, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Yeah..that's what I heard also. But evidently there's room for an extra bank in SLC, so they may have no choice but to put the 717 out here instead of building rotations out of DTW and NYC. Seems kinda dumb to fly a 717 DTW-MCI-SLC-LAX to get across the Rockies and serve the west coast when we could do it smarter out of SLC. (..but we used to fly ATL-TUL-OKC-SLC in the 727, so what do I know?!)

I hope you're right about LAX777..

And maybe we'll get lucky and all of the B gates in SLC will be filled with 717's instead of RJ's by the end of 2015..
I believe that memo about the 717 also mentioned they'd be doing MX in DTW and/or MSP, hence the less direct routing west bound and lack of a SLC 717 category.
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Old 01-23-2015, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CPZ175
I believe that memo about the 717 also mentioned they'd be doing MX in DTW and/or MSP, hence the less direct routing west bound and lack of a SLC 717 category.
Good point, but SLC also has a large MX Base and a lot of our guys worked on the MD90 for years..so I don't know how much of a factor MX availability plays in their decision.

I think a more likely barrier to a SLC717 category is the 20+ yr FFD contract DL signed with SKW when we sold them ASA in BK. I read somewhere that SLC will be the first DL hub without any 50-seaters... but after those cuts, the remaining SKW CRJ-7/9 contractual flying may be too hard to break and replace with a 717.

Maybe as SKW becomes more concerned with flying 175's for UAL, AA and AS, we'll be able to bring the 717 out to SLC.

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Old 01-23-2015, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Good point, but SLC also has a large MX Base and a lot of our guys worked on the MD90 for years..so I don't know how much of a factor MX availability plays in their decision.

I think a more likely barrier to a SLC717 category is the 20+ yr FFD contract DL signed with SKW when we sold them ASA in BK. I read somewhere that SLC will be the first DL hub without any 50-seaters... but after those cuts, the remaining SKW CRJ-7/9 contractual flying may be too hard to break and replace with a 717.

Maybe as SKW becomes more concerned with flying 175's for UAL, AA and AS, we'll be able to bring the 717 out to SLC.
I don't think that contractual flying has to be out of SLC though. The last year they have shifted a lot of CR9 flying to MSP and SEA. CPZ and the 319 are doing a lot of CR9 flying in SLC that SKYW was doing last year.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
It depends.

Looking at NYC (where a new hire will likely start) Feb scheds:
- 7ER: Bottom lineholder ~11,500. Spring Hire. If you're looking to get to MSP, it was the most junior way to do so in the last AE, with a few Sep/Oct hires getting awarded it. Some other pretty junior pilots got to LAX & SLC as well. I don't know what happens after the summer travel rush is over.
- 73n: Everybody who wants one and probably a few who didn't gets a line, including all the pilots coming out of initial training. There is enough open time to build another 10 lines. Looks like GS hunting season is open. Jan 15 hires got to ATL, SLC and LAX. Most junior way to get to SEA, but you'll probably be out of your 1yr seatlock before you do, if you don't mind another initial qual course.
- A320: Bottom lineholder is ~11,950. Oct Hire? Quick to ATL and SLC on last AE.
- M88: Lowest lineholders in the Nov 14 hire range. Quick to ATL, not so much elsewhere right now.
- B717: Lowest lineholders in the Oct 14 range. Very little movement out of NYC in last AE. Seems to be settling down compared to last year when there was a whole lot of movement between bases and NYC wasn't open, and new hires were walking into a line straight out of OE - like the 73n today.

Of course, all of this is subject to change in the next month's sched (or AE).
So, the ER is the quickest way to get MSP? I'm in the 2/2 class and was debating between the ER and the Bus (assuming both are available) and would like to get to MSP ASAP.
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Old 01-23-2015, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RoughLandings
So, the ER is the quickest way to get MSP? I'm in the 2/2 class and was debating between the ER and the Bus (assuming both are available) and would like to get to MSP ASAP.
Be careful on the ER. Yes a lot of new hires were able to move to MSP on the last bid only because they decided to backfill. If they decide not to it will only shrink ala DTW 7ER. Early 14 it had almost 200 F/os now it's down to 140
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