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11-11-2014, 04:28 AM
#3071
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
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I do agree with the age way. Funny you mention that. In my prior post the senior to me guy was older by 4 months at current location. The aspect is most are not going to be just a few months age difference. there were people 10+ years older.
One other aspect is if I had been one more number senior, I would have been put on a different aircraft category, but was put on the "less desirable" airplane. Thought at the time it was a bummer, but that put me down a road of experiences and meeting individuals that I wouldn't trade anything for.
It is what it is, but no matter what someone is going to lose out. At least by age I knew that I would be employed longer than the other individuals at current property - if I so desired to stay there.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about Delta's system and not trying to reinvent the wheel. I'm just giving perspective of an age based seniority system.
Question: is there any other airline that does it similar to Delta? I didn't know if others used last 4 ssn. Seems all the ones I've heard of use age.
One other aspect is if I had been one more number senior, I would have been put on a different aircraft category, but was put on the "less desirable" airplane. Thought at the time it was a bummer, but that put me down a road of experiences and meeting individuals that I wouldn't trade anything for.
It is what it is, but no matter what someone is going to lose out. At least by age I knew that I would be employed longer than the other individuals at current property - if I so desired to stay there.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining about Delta's system and not trying to reinvent the wheel. I'm just giving perspective of an age based seniority system.
Question: is there any other airline that does it similar to Delta? I didn't know if others used last 4 ssn. Seems all the ones I've heard of use age.
11-11-2014, 07:09 AM
#3074
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
Absolutely. In that example, the two would likely only be one number apart anyway, with the "junior" one getting an extra 6 months at the top of the scale in a senior plane etc. Likewise, there could be a 20 year age difference in a class. Nothing wrong whatsoever with letting the older pilot get a few numbers since s/he would have to punch out decades sooner. It really is the fairest way to do it, young buck mini windfall notwithstanding.
11-11-2014, 08:41 AM
#3075
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
If you're going to do it by age, then why not reward the younger guy, for getting there earlier in their career? Or pick the guy who did the best on his cognitive tests?
I would have done poorly with either an SSN or age, so this isn't a personal issue for me. I simply find the "older deserves more" argument somewhat odd.
11-11-2014, 08:54 AM
#3076
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,242
Not sure how you argue that discriminating between two people based on age is not age discrimination. It just seems illogical to arbitrarily ascribe value to age, especially to a greater age. The guy that's hired older is probably older because a) he elected to extend employment elsewhere for some perceived benefit, or b) he wasn't as successful in his career as a younger candidate.
If you're going to do it by age, then why not reward the younger guy, for getting there earlier in their career? Or pick the guy who did the best on his cognitive tests?
I would have done poorly with either an SSN or age, so this isn't a personal issue for me. I simply find the "older deserves more" argument somewhat odd.
If you're going to do it by age, then why not reward the younger guy, for getting there earlier in their career? Or pick the guy who did the best on his cognitive tests?
I would have done poorly with either an SSN or age, so this isn't a personal issue for me. I simply find the "older deserves more" argument somewhat odd.
11-11-2014, 09:37 AM
#3077
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 5,012
I suspect you're on an island with this opinion, Sink r8. Let's not forget that the entire airline system - seniority - has almost nothing to do with deserving anything. It's all about time on property. Time on earth (the reciprocal of time left with the company) is most analogous to the rest of airline career determinants. It's the only deciding factor that most (yourself excluded) at least think has some logic and purpose behind it. Basing seniority on performance on a cog test makes even less sense (to me) than the randomness of SSN.
11-11-2014, 09:57 AM
#3078
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Totally disagree. Everyone's history is different. I got out of the Navy in April of 81 at the age of 29. The controllers went on strike shortly after. ALL hiring stopped. By the time any hiring started again, I was over 30 which was the kiss of death at the time to be hired at any "Major". It wasn't until 4 years later that the age limit started to ease and I was hired at NWA. It had nothing to do with my decision to remain at my current job or poor performance on my part.
I'm just asking the question, not trying to slam any group.
11-11-2014, 09:59 AM
#3079
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
Posts: 2,190
Must be a slow week if this is what we've devolved into arguing about 
I really got screwed!!! I was younger, better looking, smarter, more motivated, higher achieving than all those old, slackass bums in my newhire class. However, NWA decided that youngest had to go last, thus I will spend most of my career looking up at these sub-humans. The great part is the last 4 of my SSN "suck" too so I was doomed either way
(<---- TIC for the humor impaired)
Seriously, unless your class has 75 pilots like the one that just started Monday, it will all come out in the wash over the course of a long career. I get that 1 number can make or break it, from time to time, but this is out of everyone's control and even the most junior guy from last Monday's class already has 75 pilots behind him! This is an absolutely incredible time for anyone to be getting on. Unfortunately somebody has to be the plug, but for the time being that status is pretty short-lived.
I really got screwed!!! I was younger, better looking, smarter, more motivated, higher achieving than all those old, slackass bums in my newhire class. However, NWA decided that youngest had to go last, thus I will spend most of my career looking up at these sub-humans. The great part is the last 4 of my SSN "suck" too so I was doomed either way
(<---- TIC for the humor impaired)Seriously, unless your class has 75 pilots like the one that just started Monday, it will all come out in the wash over the course of a long career. I get that 1 number can make or break it, from time to time, but this is out of everyone's control and even the most junior guy from last Monday's class already has 75 pilots behind him! This is an absolutely incredible time for anyone to be getting on. Unfortunately somebody has to be the plug, but for the time being that status is pretty short-lived.
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