badgerned

I set the class sizes down based on how many people I have heard are in the class. I have only heard of 8 confirmed CJOs getting offers for the first two April classes. Unfortunately I am at the mercy of PMs.

Looks like Nov 4 - 7 interviewees are filling up the first two April classes. I expect Nov CJO's are on deck. I will post an update tonight.

forgot to bid

I agree. I lived in ATL before Delta, my wife grew up here, all her friends are here and her family is here and she had a great job here. So when I was working at Coex there was really no thought of "hey, let's move up to Newark NJ, you'll be without family, friends and a job, and I'll leave you for 12 out of 15 days at a time. Sound good?"

Yeah so believe it or not I commuted.

MikefromMT

Just a heads up for all new-hires. When you get the "get ready for class" email, don't underestimate the requirement for attaining a yellow fever vaccination. I just had to call 10 places across Atlanta to find it. Apparently there is a shortage and no shipments are coming into the local county health departments until May at the earliest.

forgot to bid

Let's compare "opportunity" for a new hire and compare Newnan GA, Long Island and Ann Arbor.

1) I found this Saline High School in Ann Arbor, scored 10 out of 10, I found a house for around $340K that looked very nice (4bd/3ba/2100sq ft). 30 minutes to the airport.

2) Newnan has a high school scoring 8 out of 10, add 1 bd, 1 ba, 1,000 sq ft to that house in Ann Arbor for the same price. 30 minutes to the airport.

3) Long Island, I went all the way out to Setauket, I know there are others, but the HS around that area scored a 10 out of 10. I recommend renting, $3K a month, which is at least 1K-1.5K more than the above homes would cost you. 1 hour to the airport.

Now compare a new hire today's position to their position in say 2017. We should have at least 575 guys retire between now and April 1 2017, so let's round to 600. If we hire 400 in 2014, 50/mo for 2015, 2016 and through March 2017, you've added 1350 pilots, lost 600, net we'll have 12800 pilots and said new hire is at 11,000 or 86%.

What does 86% buy you? DTW, ATL and NYC all have the 737, so let's use that. Let's say we don't get a new contract and said new hire flies 80 hours a month of credit. Straight salary would by 65K, 103K, 120K, 123K over that time.

Seniority wise, 86% in the company is like being 9993 today. In a quick run through, in all 3 bases you're a line holder with partial weekends off, NYC giving a slight edge. Seniority wise you sit at 78% in ATL, 48% in NYC and 40% in DTW.

So with this sloopy quick look, I say if you don't care, your spouse wants to be away from family, you don't want to commute... go pure Michigan.

YMMV

forgot to bid

If you're itching for the 767 though, NYC. Same new hire would be 70% in NYC, 87% in DTW and 89% in ATL. DTW is a smaller 7ER base but DTW also has the A330, 777 and 744.

OneFifty

For someone looking at DTW, I've read the seniority order for recent postings is: 737, 320, 717. Seems to make sense. Are any of these fleets in danger of being moved out of DTW? Has there been any hint of shrinking any of these fleets in DTW? I keep hearing rumors of 717s in NYC or the west coast, so I am trying to get informed. Just trying to figure out which is a safe pick for a guy looking to stay in DTW and get a good QOL as quickly as possible. Thanks!

Schwanker

All that and you didn't recommend a realtor? You're letting these kids down.

forgot to bid

You don't need to no stinking realtor... real-a-tor... their problem is their name. They're missing an a.

sailingfun

The DTW fleets should be stable. The 717 and 737 are new and both planned to expand in DTW. The 717 just entered the fleet 6 months ago and at least two more bases will open up in the next 18 months. They will not impact DTW. At some point the 747 category will go away but nothing is planned for at least 4 years. It's likely the replacement will go there so no real impact on the base.

forgot to bid

The 717 and 737 are new categories there, I doubt they take them back. The 320 is an old category and I doubt they get rid of it.

717 beyond DTW and ATL is a wait and see.