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Old 03-07-2014, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
2014 PILOT HIRING

With the 717 and 739 deliveries continuing in 2014, we recently received approval to continuing hiring pilots at a rate of approximately 50 a month through April 2015. Over the past 6 months, the new hire team has been building the hiring pool, and off the street pilots are currently being brought in, along with flow up pilots.

We continue to look forward and we are building our business case for 2015 and beyond. Based on new aircraft deliveries (330s starting in 2015 and 321s in 2016) and age 65 pilot attrition, the hiring and training programs will be at near full capacity for the next 10 to 20 years.
You should really stop posting company material on a public forum.
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Old 03-07-2014, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
You should really stop posting company material on a public forum.
Why do you have access to that anyway?

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It was posted an hour before shy did on the latest and greatest.
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Old 03-07-2014, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tim123
It was posted an hour before shy did on the latest and greatest.
I apologize.

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Old 03-07-2014, 12:20 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but maybe you guys have some info since you're in the pool. I got back an email about my app saying there were gaps in my employment info (there weren't, though i left a few days between jobs and at one point i had a week of job hunting). I have closed these small holes and made sure my employment periods start and end the same days. Did anyone have a similar problem? I'm worried that if it was looked at now it's back to the bottom of the stack or eliminated completely...it's not like I can talk to someone to find out exactly what was the problem...
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Old 03-07-2014, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Gloppy, to try and inject some cheer into the hiring process 150 of the first 300 pilots hired were senior to anyone hired after 06. The next 600 will all be junior. Bids put out late summer for fall classes will be surprisingly junior and then the 330 training will start adding even more movement. In addition the company is stating there will be another widebody RFP by the end of the year, something not previously planned until 2017.
I like to try and balance hopeful optimism with historic pessimism enough to end up with realism in a difficult to predict environment such as this.

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anything and everything when it comes down to hiring, even for attrition, and especially growth. Non 717 growth is even better, but I'm still not convinced its going to happen. 10 A330's isn't enough to make a dent (ok it makes a dent but depends on many other things…the future of the ER especially) and could easilly come out in the wash with a slight change in utilization or a tiny reduction in another category. Any additional widebody RFP and we'll really have to mind the deets, otherwise we may end up guessing wrong



I do agree that there will be continued hiring and that the future for now does look quite bright for hiring and advancement. Current pilots are going to finally see some positive movement, and new hires are going to have a stellar career. Most likely.

Far beyond the benefits of seniority list movement, I hope for our sake our company can move beyond the soon to be radically obsolete era of capacity dicipline margin fluffing and into an era of competing and winning, with a combination of excellent products and service as well as flat out brute force where necessary. The former being necessary for prosperity. The latter being necessary for long term survival.
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Old 03-08-2014, 06:35 AM
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You guys have any ideas how this 50 per month hiring spree will effect the training pipeline? What is "at or near capacity"? I ask selfishly as I'm currently expecting November-ish if/when I get the cleared to train (Feb Interview).

I've recreated the spreadsheet and I'm guessing the line number 190-200ish guys could be as early as Aug-Sep if they add 10 or so more OTS hires per month.

Am I crazy?
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Old 03-08-2014, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by C17flyguy
You guys have any ideas how this 50 per month hiring spree will effect the training pipeline? What is "at or near capacity"? I ask selfishly as I'm currently expecting November-ish if/when I get the cleared to train (Feb Interview).

I've recreated the spreadsheet and I'm guessing the line number 190-200ish guys could be as early as Aug-Sep if they add 10 or so more OTS hires per month.

Am I crazy?

Obviously the updated numbers will help the OTS hires greatly. When the flows hit their annual limit they will be shut off with the difference coming from OTS hires.

As far as training capacity this is from my notes from a Base Roadshow:

Training capacity. It was put out that we could sustain 60-70/month minimum for three years with surge capability at slower times. 60x12=720, 70x12=840, so with a few surge months above these numbers 1000/year should not be a problem.


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Old 03-08-2014, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Obviously the updated numbers will help the OTS hires greatly. When the flows hit their annual limit they will be shut off with the difference coming from OTS hires.

As far as training capacity this is from my notes from a Base Roadshow:

Training capacity. It was put out that we could sustain 60-70/month minimum for three years with surge capability at slower times. 60x12=720, 70x12=840, so with a few surge months above these numbers 1000/year should not be a problem.


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The spreadsheet lives on page 99 of this forum or at the following location. I am doing my best to keep it up to date. Cheers,
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20Feb%2014.JPG
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:30 PM
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The spreadsheet lives on page 99 of this forum or at the following location. I am doing my best to keep it up to date. Cheers,
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20Feb%2014.JPG
Thanks badger, yeah I saw you updated it this morning. Not trying to reinvent the wheel, just looking at what-if's I'm case they up the training pipeline as I imagine they will do as hiring picks up.

Your spreadsheet is an icon on my iphone home screen
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Obviously the updated numbers will help the OTS hires greatly. When the flows hit their annual limit they will be shut off with the difference coming from OTS hires.

As far as training capacity this is from my notes from a Base Roadshow:

Training capacity. It was put out that we could sustain 60-70/month minimum for three years with surge capability at slower times. 60x12=720, 70x12=840, so with a few surge months above these numbers 1000/year should not be a problem.


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In 2007 they pumped 100 a month through for a few months in a row. I've heard after they get everything up and running smoothly and have all the sim instructors and LCA staffed up they can sustain that amount of training, so 1000 a year should easily be doable if they need to.
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