Funk

You are correct, they can put out an AE anytime, and they can limit the number of positions on it. And you are also correct about being overstaffed (561 SILs in July!!!). My first point is that I think new hire classes won’t be rescheduled until after the big AE (if it is another 365 MOAB) because the real bottleneck for new hires will be sim time, and when you are going gangbusters to eliminate a category, haven’t received aircraft you thought you’d have already (“A200s” and possibly A320s to a lesser degree), then the priority has to be the pilots on property that are going to get paid a lot to do very little. No point in bringing newbs on property and start their one year pay clock, etc. when they may sit for a while just to enter training.

My point about the 365 AE is that if you’re granted a position on that bid, how long does the company have to send you to training? Now compare that with smaller AEs. I don’t believe the company can offer that same position and training again, notionally to a new hire, until they’ve cleared the training from the previous small AE. With a 365, you might be awarded a position, but attend training anytime the company feels it’s convenient, while still bringing in new hires to that category, and possibly training them before you. It may not make sense to us, but it might to someone that stares at spreadsheets all day for a job.

FL370esq

To clear this up a smidge, the company can only offer new hires those positions which have gone unfilled on an AE. Assuming, in your scenario, there are a few unfilled vacancies which are now offered to new hires, the company can train those new hires whenever it wants to provided the first new hire is trained after the last position awarded to a seniority list pilot in that AE (otherwise pay protections kick in).

Further, training does not need to completed from one AE before it may begin on another AE. Pay protection provisions only apply when looking at similarly situated pilots from the same AE (and category and training requirement...see 22.E.9).

Lifeisgood

I apologize, there is a class in June.
July and August classes are canceled.
After MOAB figured out new hiring plan will announced sometime in July.

captkdobbs

For those new to the thread, MOAB = Mother of all bids. And the thing about the 365-day AE's is that they may or may not be a MOAB.

Consider the scenario of closing a category. The company must post "Surpluses" (read mandatory displacements) on an AE to displace pilots out of a category and shut it down. If they wanted to, they could post only the category closing displacements on a 365-day AEd (non MOAB), and then a month later, after figuring out all the cascade displacements/backfills/secondary displacements, they could post another AE to fill all the spots that were needed to balance staffing. As long as they trained in contract order, this would give them some flexibility in the category draw-down AND provide slots for newhires in the subsequent AE. It may tie their hands doing it in two phases, but it is a possibility.

I'm just saying that a 365-day AE doesn't necessarily have to be a MOAB-scope event.

gloopy

So no classes in those months at all?

That doesn't seem to help very much. It seems there's always at least some need, in some fleets, to have some amount of NH throughput. Seems like an extreme overreaction to have zero NH's for 2 months, even considering pulling some SLI capacity to fly the line.

Not to mention that July and especially August NH's wouldn't even be filling the sims until Sept or later anyway in many cases.

jules11

At the risk of this seeming like an ignorant question; does anyone know if calculators and/or scratch paper are allowed to be used during the JKT?

WIPilot

They give you scratch paper but no calculators allowed

Gunfighter

Jet Knowledge Test?

jules11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunfighter

Jet Knowledge Test?

The job knowledge test administered as part of the pilot interview process consists of questions in four major knowledge areas essential to piloting a commercial aircraft: aerodynamics, aircraft systems engineering, air navigation and meteorology.

Learflyer

And how to fight the fear of flying in light chop.