Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr

When are the interviews???

Originally Posted by Pancake

If furlough returns and flow throughs add up to 250ish (130 returns + 115 Compass flows), and 9E has guaranteed interviews, it may be a year before there are any off-the-street interviews.

Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr

This is daunting. Self-teaching for your oral. Wow.

Originally Posted by Denny Crane

No. They send you a memory stick with all the systems on it. Day 1 equals review. Day 2 equals ESV (electronic systems validation). This is the way the ESV works: It's broken up in to different systems. You need to get at least 80% of the questions correct. If the computer sees you getting less than 80%, it will add questions on that system to try and get you up to 80%. If you fail 2 systems, you can get re-trained and take only those two on a retake. 3 separate systems failures and you retake the whole test. It's been a few months but I think that was how it worked.

I'll second the STUDY THE LOD (learning objectives document)! It's where all the questions on the ESV come from. After the ESV you start in the procedures trainer doing FMS and normal procedures like preflighting etc.

On another note, boy am I glad I got hired when I did! I don't think I'd ever make it in today's environment!

Denny

Originally Posted by cni187

I'd bet on off the street hires in the mix of 300 as well. That's how they did it in 2010.

Originally Posted by jabwmu

What happens if you fail the ESV, retake the test, and fail again? Is it then an oral? Or fired?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Forgot the exact procedure, but:

- If you miss too many (>19%) then the computer gives you some extra questions in the hope you'll answer enough correctly to get above 80%.
- You will be debriefed and subjected to a pseudo oral to discover what went wrong. If you know the answer (as in the crew life vest color example I gave) then you're probably good to go.
- If your response in the debrief is an honest admission of a legitimate problem which might have distracted you (at our age we had quite a few babies being born, folks moving, etc ...) then Delta will probably do everything they can to get you some time to handle your business, refocus and pass the training.
- If your situation involves a lack of discipline ... you've got a problem and I dunno where it goes from there.

It is not a wash out program at all. The MD88 and the 737 are not as pilot friendly as newer designs, but if you survived the E-120 or that generation of turboprop equipment you'll find the MD88 easy, if not familiar.

The CRJ's are such easy aircraft overall that they would transition nicely into the 757 / 767. That option will probably not be around for a while. (the 767 flies a lot like an overpowered -200 with a better wing). The MD88 flies a lot like a turboprop with twice the power and half the wind sawed off by an inebriated monkey with a sawzall. The systems were designed by the monkey's uncle who sold heroin out of a junkyard full of DC-10 parts. Control responses are pure ATR72 (if that's any frame of reference). The junky monkey now works for Boeing performing QC on 787 parts.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

The ESV is your oral, however, there is this one other thing called walk around slides that kind of allows for some questioning on the day of your final check ride. Now obviously, you could do a walk around on any jet and tell if its ready to fly if all you were looking for was to make sure nothing looked damaged, missing or leaking. So we were told that the walk around slides are no big deal, we all know how to preflight.

But, I wouldn't go that route. Because when they start to review the walk around slides here come the questions (and this is true for recurrent).

For instance, the first or second slide on the 88 walk around is of the front left side of the jet. There's a strake there. They may ask you "what is that?"

"It's a strake."

"What's it for? Is it heated?... Oh it is? When? All of the time? Some of the time? Pneumatic heat? Or is it electric? How about on the 90?"

Now of course in the book it says "STRAKE.... CHECK". But obviously the pre flight slides allow them to see if you just memorized the LOD by rote or you actually get it.

Technique only here but at some point when you're studying Long Beach's Gift to Bucking Bar (the MD-88) it wouldn't hurt to pull out those slides. Take for instance that strake. Go on the computer and CTRL+F on the LOD pdf and say "Strake". See what it is they wanted you to remember about it. Answer, it's only mentioned 3 times and it's all about when it's heated. But just in case, maybe now go to VOL 1 and CTRL+F that. Maybe VOL 2? QRH? Oh I know, its a strake. You have no control over it. I get that. it's just a way to approach this thing because next to it is the AOA vane and the external power panel which oh let's talk about the ground service bus and whats the one big thing on the ground service bu...

So sure you can memorize the LOD and pass the ESV. But I think trying to make checkride day go fast and painless is a good idea. So here's my technique - just know every damn thing on those first five slides so well that maybe you won't get asked anymore questions? Or, it'll actually help learn the plane and its kind of nice not to sit there with the deer in the landing light look, which by the way, retracts automatically when?

So yes it's not an oral. it's just some walk around slides... cough cough.

Note: If you're on the A320, the answer is "per systems logic" and leave it at that.

Originally Posted by jabwmu

What happens if you fail the ESV, retake the test, and fail again? Is it then an oral? Or fired?